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DannyDMc

DannyDMc

Fargo, ND
July 2003

OCT 15, 2007 10:49 PM

MessyJessy said:

DannyDMc said:

Rafi said:
What have we learned from all this, kids?

Criticism of Israeli politics by progressives/liberals = anti-semitism (even if made by people of Jewish ethnicity themselves, such as Noam Chomsky).

Proclaiming Jews to be imperfected Christians and believing them to be bound for Hell = not at all anti-semitic, just as long as they support Israel (even if only because of Apocalyptic fantasies).



All right, tell me how you aren't stereotyping here? You're taking the words on ONE Isreali (Wendy), who argued that the Christian-Right doesn't piss her off because, no matters the rhetoric or reasons behind it, they support her country, and then extrapolating that to ALL Isrealies confused

Actually, what you seem to be doing, is taking her words verbatum as an expression shared by ALL Isrealis, and then taking the statements of another set of Isrealis and saying that those are ALSO shared by all Isrealis in order to set up a situation that would appear to be hypocritical.

niiiiiiice.

The truth of the matter is that Coulter's statements were in reference to Jewish people. As a result, it seems to me, that you really don't have much of a right to browbeat Wendy for NOT finding them anti-semetic. We can't exactly be dictating to other people what they should, and should not, find offensive.

Just my .3 cents.



I figured he was simply criticizing Wendy's comments...but what do I know? whatever



I took his comments about "liberals criticising isreal" = bad thing to be referencing some of the uproar in the Jewish-American and Isreali communities about it and not tied directly into something Wendy had said (at least, I hadn't read a comment by her stating that).
If I was wrong, and she did say something along those lines, I retract the statement and apologize. Sorry about that; I sometimes miss things and then end up with egg all over my face blush

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

OCT 15, 2007 10:51 PM

DannyDMc said:

emotedcreations said:
^^^^^^^^^pretty much.... Rafi is pretty point on for the most part, and I'd definitely have to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. Not to mention most of DannyDMC's comments are fucking off the wall.



Eh? How are most of my posts off the wall? I generally don't go out of my way to gain that effect. An odd sense of humor creeps in from time to time but, thats mostly because I write later at night (when, I suppose, I really shouldn't)

*shrugs*

Sorry, I wasn't being all that serious. I generally, really for the most part, appreciate your comments. Despite you being a bad English teacher! wink tongue

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

OCT 15, 2007 11:05 PM

DannyDMc said:
I took his comments about "liberals criticising isreal" = bad thing to be referencing some of the uproar in the Jewish-American and Isreali communities about it and not tied directly into something Wendy had said (at least, I hadn't read a comment by her stating that).
If I was wrong, and she did say something along those lines, I retract the statement and apologize. Sorry about that; I sometimes miss things and then end up with egg all over my face blush


Try saying something unsupportive about the Israeli settlement policy or some IDF action sometime while Wendy's around. You'll see an uproar, alright. That's what he was referencing.

DannyDMc

DannyDMc

Fargo, ND
July 2003

OCT 15, 2007 11:05 PM

emotedcreations said:

DannyDMc said:

emotedcreations said:
^^^^^^^^^pretty much.... Rafi is pretty point on for the most part, and I'd definitely have to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. Not to mention most of DannyDMC's comments are fucking off the wall.



Eh? How are most of my posts off the wall? I generally don't go out of my way to gain that effect. An odd sense of humor creeps in from time to time but, thats mostly because I write later at night (when, I suppose, I really shouldn't)

*shrugs*

Sorry, I wasn't being all that serious. I generally, really for the most part, appreciate your comments. Despite you being a bad English teacher! wink tongue



Hey I wasn't _THAT_ bad; I like to think that my students now know a lot more about Wisconsin than before. I mean, I was teaching ENGLISH, in _ALASKA_ but; knowing your Wisconsin hsitory is important tongue

Also, I never actually kicked anyone. I pride myself on that biggrin

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

OCT 15, 2007 11:11 PM

You're a great person (and a great Alaskan English teacher) I'm sure. Please forgive me.

DannyDMc

DannyDMc

Fargo, ND
July 2003

OCT 15, 2007 11:21 PM

emotedcreations said:
You're a great person (and a great Alaskan English teacher) I'm sure. Please forgive me.



Oh, I SUPPOSE. You're forgiven. I'm a sucker for flattery tongue

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

OCT 15, 2007 11:25 PM

Wendy said:
Call her an "islamofascist" when her books start calling for suicide bombings at synagogues and Jewish schools, when Americans are kidnapped in the name of Jesus and when she has her 15 children parading around with guns and bandanas with bible quotes on them wrapped around their heads.

Until then, she's just another Christian who believes that her religion is right. Who cares?



I care. Did you leave your brain in a coat check somewhere?

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

OCT 15, 2007 11:26 PM

DannyDMc said:

emotedcreations said:
You're a great person (and a great Alaskan English teacher) I'm sure. Please forgive me.



Oh, I SUPPOSE. You're forgiven. I'm a sucker for flattery tongue


I'm just being nice because I'm not going to be 'round for much longer. biggrin JK, or am I?

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

OCT 15, 2007 11:30 PM

DannyDMc said:

emotedcreations said:

DannyDMc said:

emotedcreations said:
^^^^^^^^^pretty much.... Rafi is pretty point on for the most part, and I'd definitely have to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. Not to mention most of DannyDMC's comments are fucking off the wall.



Eh? How are most of my posts off the wall? I generally don't go out of my way to gain that effect. An odd sense of humor creeps in from time to time but, thats mostly because I write later at night (when, I suppose, I really shouldn't)

*shrugs*

Sorry, I wasn't being all that serious. I generally, really for the most part, appreciate your comments. Despite you being a bad English teacher! wink tongue



Hey I wasn't _THAT_ bad; I like to think that my students now know a lot more about Wisconsin than before. I mean, I was teaching ENGLISH, in _ALASKA_ but; knowing your Wisconsin hsitory is important tongue

Also, I never actually kicked anyone. I pride myself on that biggrin



Could you perhaps pride yourself on tuning on your spellcheck as well?

kthanxbye.

attn_ho

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

OCT 15, 2007 11:58 PM

DannyDMc said:
I mean, I was teaching ENGLISH, in _ALASKA_


what, is alaskan english different then regular?

DannyDMc

DannyDMc

Fargo, ND
July 2003

OCT 16, 2007 12:08 AM

attn_ho said:

DannyDMc said:
I mean, I was teaching ENGLISH, in _ALASKA_


what, is alaskan english different then regular?



Village English? Yes. A lot of it is English words being placed over the grammar of the native language; its also much more simplified. For instance: in proper English you'd say "I'm going to the store". In village English you're more likely to hear "I go store".
Although, when I made the comment, I'd just been commenting that I couldn't have been a horrible teacher because my students ended up knowing a 'lot more about Wisconsin'; the joke being, of course, that I was teaching ENGLISH (not History) in ALASKA (not Wisconsin). Hence, you know, poking fun at my own effectivenes and all.

DannyDMc

DannyDMc

Fargo, ND
July 2003

OCT 16, 2007 12:10 AM

reprobate said:

DannyDMc said:

emotedcreations said:

DannyDMc said:

emotedcreations said:
^^^^^^^^^pretty much.... Rafi is pretty point on for the most part, and I'd definitely have to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. Not to mention most of DannyDMC's comments are fucking off the wall.



Eh? How are most of my posts off the wall? I generally don't go out of my way to gain that effect. An odd sense of humor creeps in from time to time but, thats mostly because I write later at night (when, I suppose, I really shouldn't)

*shrugs*

Sorry, I wasn't being all that serious. I generally, really for the most part, appreciate your comments. Despite you being a bad English teacher! wink tongue



Hey I wasn't _THAT_ bad; I like to think that my students now know a lot more about Wisconsin than before. I mean, I was teaching ENGLISH, in _ALASKA_ but; knowing your Wisconsin hsitory is important tongue

Also, I never actually kicked anyone. I pride myself on that biggrin



Could you perhaps pride yourself on tuning on your spellcheck as well?

kthanxbye.



No. Spell check is evil and must be destroyed. Clear communication is always frowned on smile

herbancowboy

herbancowboy

Houston, TX
June 2004

OCT 16, 2007 05:41 AM

Wendy said:
The world probably would be better off if everyone were the same religion.


Wrong. Diversity is a key component of any healthy ecosystem.

Wendy said:
I doubt you'll find very many religious people who would claim that they may be right, but maybe another religion is right, or maybe there's no God at all, or maybe...


Followers of the religion I was raised with pray for "the good of all" at least twice a day. There's also such things Buddhists and Jains and Baha'i's. Way to make this all about the Jews. Slip into solipsism much?

It's not specifically her "anti-Semitism" that bothers me, it's her "anti-anything-but-Christianity" that bothers me. That and the fact that her line of thinking is kind of popular in the only nation that has ever dropped a nuclear bomb on civilians, a nation that has no qualms about slaughtering close to a million innocent civilians and making refugees out of 4 million others just for its short-sighted geopolitical whimsy (to speak only of its most recent picaresque.)

Anyway, what I found most interesting about this dialog (between Coulter and Deutsch) is that she's right about the racial diversity at the megachurches. When I went on my anthropological foray into Lakewood Church the racial diversity was something that took me completely by surprise. It's counterintuitive in the way that--in my experience--suburban Houston is so much more racially diverse than San Francisco and Manhattan. (Of course, people are still pretty rigidly segregated by economic class in all those places, but we don't talk about klass in 'Merica.)

Uncognitive

Uncognitive

Brooklyn, NY
May 2003

OCT 16, 2007 06:42 AM

herbancowboy said:
Anyway, what I found most interesting about this dialog (between Coulter and Deutsch) is that she's right about the racial diversity at the megachurches. When I went on my anthropological foray into Lakewood Church the racial diversity was something that took me completely by surprise. It's counterintuitive in the way that--in my experience--suburban Houston is so much more racially diverse than San Francisco and Manhattan. (Of course, people are still pretty rigidly segregated by economic class in all those places, but we don't talk about klass in 'Merica.)



While I don't doubt the racial diversity in some "megachurches", I think the last time there was a city with more racial and cultural diversity than New York City the people involved were building a big tower to heaven or something. wink

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

OCT 16, 2007 11:35 AM

Hmm... Wasn't that somewhere near Bagdad? Now look what's happened, another tower falls in an entirely different part of the world, but Babylon is again razed, it's people broken and divided. WWJD? "God" has a sick sense of humor indeed.

herbancowboy

herbancowboy

Houston, TX
June 2004

OCT 17, 2007 03:46 PM

Uncognitive said:

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herbancowboy said:
Anyway, what I found most interesting about this dialog (between Coulter and Deutsch) is that she's right about the racial diversity at the megachurches. When I went on my anthropological foray into Lakewood Church the racial diversity was something that took me completely by surprise. It's counterintuitive in the way that--in my experience--suburban Houston is so much more racially diverse than San Francisco and Manhattan. (Of course, people are still pretty rigidly segregated by economic class in all those places, but we don't talk about klass in 'Merica.)


While I don't doubt the racial diversity in some "megachurches", I think the last time there was a city with more racial and cultural diversity than New York City the people involved were building a big tower to heaven or something. wink


Hey! Check it out. Merely one day after I post that comment the NYT is agreeing with me. Anyway, I do agree with you, too. I wasn't saying anything about the greater NY metro area, but I do still think that the suburbs and megachurches are not as "white bread" as traditional wisdom states.

ortho7117

ortho7117

Charlotte, NC
April 2004

OCT 22, 2007 12:10 AM

But Christianity really *does* support the insane ideas she described. The Bible really does say that the only way to get to heaven is to believe in Jesus as The Savior. Jews don't believe that. So she's really holding true to what the Bible says, insane as it all is.

Let me repeat that. The Bible says Jesus *is the only way* and everyone else is damned. Period. Taken verbatim, other religions are guilty of exclusivity too, including Judaism. No, I'm not anti-Semitic, and I shouldn't even have to say it. I can criticize religion without wishing death or inequality on anyone.

Many followers of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam have learned how to effectively cherry-pick in order to get along with each other. It requires even more double-think than obeying the "scripture" verbatim, but it does keep the peace at least.

ortho7117

ortho7117

Charlotte, NC
April 2004

OCT 22, 2007 12:51 AM

Ah, I'm probably too late in this thread. I see now from reading some comments that this territory has sort of been covered anyway.

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