mrat said:
Sure- but do you remember Jimmy Carter, or Slick Willy that lied to the AMERICAN people about his sex life!! He lied to your faces about getting a blow-job in the White House !! Wake up!! If you want to move to Canada- well go,you will not be missed !! PS bring Robert Redford, Sean Penn, Alec Baldwin and every other ass-hole that promised to move out when Bush was elected. Go see how good it is over there.

Jimmy Carter lied to who exactly? Do please provide some sort of evidence.

joker_

Minneapolis, MN

October 2005

OCT 11, 2007 04:45 PM

I know this might sound a little strange.
Are you a Buddhist?

emotedcreations

Germany

July 2006

OCT 11, 2007 04:48 PM

joker_ said:
Are you a Buddhist?

I think you're on to something.

photoline

Edmonton, AB

January 2005

OCT 11, 2007 05:19 PM

This just about sums it up:

madbax

Nome, TX

March 2005

OCT 11, 2007 07:38 PM

Zarth said:

madbax said:

SockPuppet said:

madbax said:
I get so sick of this being called a "war". This is not Bush's war, Kosovo and Somalia were not Cinton's war... It is the way parties disseminate propaganda through the media. The last time war was actually declared on anyone by the United States was against Germany and Italy. All other military actions since WWII have occured without the unanamous approval of both houses of congress.

I suggest that before a single bomb drops or an armored brigade crosses the borders of any single foreign entity (courtesy of the US of A) it must happen with a formal declaration of war by the US congress, that way there is no political wiggle room. All voters are on the hook whether they like it or not.

That makes a certain amount of sense.

(I'm assuming declarations of war do require the unanimous approval etc. etc., though; I gather there might be issues about that - e.g. the plans that existed in the mid-80s for automated reaction-firing of ICBMs, which IIRC were widely described as unconstitutional.)

A president can authorize the use of military force at their own descretion. It's part of the job. I think it's time for that to change though. Too many others like to make a stink for political agendas and it undermines the efforts of those whos collective asses are on the line ( the citizens who choose military careers). Until that measure of open declaration of war becomes the standard policy then the political bullshit will determine the way the politicians manipulate the truth to further their own agendas.

the ICBM thing was perfectly legitimate, those were preemptive or counter measures with the assistance of an ally against a open threat. I should narrow it down to "hostile action in a foreign country".

Aw, fuck. You mean I just agreed, almost verbatim, with you, too?

God damn it.

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it's ok to agree with me at least once. I am not completely unreasonable in issues of foreign policy when it concerns abuses of power.

madbax

Nome, TX

March 2005

OCT 11, 2007 07:42 PM

madbax said:

Zarth said:

madbax said:

SockPuppet said:
madbax said:
I get so sick of this being called a "war". This is not Bush's war, Kosovo and Somalia were not Cinton's war... It is the way parties disseminate propaganda through the media. The last time war was actually declared on anyone by the United States was against Germany and Italy. All other military actions since WWII have occured without the unanamous approval of both houses of congress.

I suggest that before a single bomb drops or an armored brigade crosses the borders of any single foreign entity (courtesy of the US of A) it must happen with a formal declaration of war by the US congress, that way there is no political wiggle room. All voters are on the hook whether they like it or not.

Aw, fuck. You mean I just agreed, almost verbatim, with you, too?

God damn it.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

it's ok to agree with me at least once. I am not completely unreasonable in issues of foreign policy when it concerns abuses of power.

You are one of the cool peope Zarth. I will miss reading your postings when My account expires this month. Shit! I clicked the wrong tab. Double posting dumbass=me.

chikinhammr

Orlando, FL

April 2006

OCT 15, 2007 03:27 PM

James Earl Carter. Nuff said.

Stiles

Oakland, CA

November 2002

OCT 15, 2007 06:35 PM

chikinhammr said:
James Earl Carter. Nuff said.

BZZZZT!

Try again.

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

OCT 15, 2007 07:35 PM

Stiles said:

chikinhammr said:
James Earl Carter. Nuff said.

BZZZZT!

Try again.

Rip Van chikinhammr is in for quite a surprise when he wakes up from the 1970s.

MessyJessy

Fort Myers, FL

August 2005

OCT 15, 2007 08:25 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:

Stiles said:

chikinhammr said:
James Earl Carter. Nuff said.

BZZZZT!

Try again.

Rip Van chikinhammr is in for quite a surprise when he wakes up from the 1970s.

Finally, a plausible explanation for the facial hair...

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