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NEWS: How To Fuck Over An Immigrant [7]

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MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY

November 2003

OCT 01, 2007 11:54 AM

Zarth said:

Toku666 said:
Oh, hey, a video.

It MUST be legit, then.

Especially because that are really fat dudes in it! You know a video's legit when it's got really fat dudes!

Is it me, or is admitting on video that you haven't paid taxes in years a horrible idea? Definitely people who's opinion I would trust.

FunkyPhantom

Chapel Hill, NC

June 2007

OCT 01, 2007 12:10 PM

Im going to say it probably due to much flaming pointed in my direction

He came here lillegally. he earned the money, yes, but he did so illegally. And by doing that, he was willing to give up his money, and he was an idiot for going to the airport with that much money anyway.

And the whole "its not THAT bad of a crime" stuff is bullshit, if we break the law, and are allowed to get away with it, that gives other people the idea to do it too. And then those people do it, impatience sets in, then our government thinks its ok (which is what they have done)

If you like doing things that arent legal, but you think SHOULD be legal, fight it like all hell, and make some change for yourself

MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY

November 2003

OCT 01, 2007 12:34 PM

CaptPajamaSharkX said:
Im going to say it probably due to much flaming pointed in my direction

He came here lillegally. he earned the money, yes, but he did so illegally. And by doing that, he was willing to give up his money, and he was an idiot for going to the airport with that much money anyway.

And the whole "its not THAT bad of a crime" stuff is bullshit, if we break the law, and are allowed to get away with it, that gives other people the idea to do it too. And then those people do it, impatience sets in, then our government thinks its ok (which is what they have done)

If you like doing things that arent legal, but you think SHOULD be legal, fight it like all hell, and make some change for yourself

Did you read the article? They didn't seize his money because he entered the country illegally. They seized it because he tried to leave the country without filling out a customs form.

FunkyPhantom

Chapel Hill, NC

June 2007

OCT 01, 2007 02:32 PM

MrStitches said:

CaptPajamaSharkX said:
Im going to say it probably due to much flaming pointed in my direction

He came here lillegally. he earned the money, yes, but he did so illegally. And by doing that, he was willing to give up his money, and he was an idiot for going to the airport with that much money anyway.

And the whole "its not THAT bad of a crime" stuff is bullshit, if we break the law, and are allowed to get away with it, that gives other people the idea to do it too. And then those people do it, impatience sets in, then our government thinks its ok (which is what they have done)

If you like doing things that arent legal, but you think SHOULD be legal, fight it like all hell, and make some change for yourself

Did you read the article? They didn't seize his money because he entered the country illegally. They seized it because he tried to leave the country without filling out a customs form.

I read the article, did you read the actual story?

This story is everywhere, Ive seen on at least 4 other news sites, and each one talked about his money being seized because yes, he didnt fill the propper forms out, but also they found out HE WAS HERE illegally

silicon

Wallington, NJ

December 2003

OCT 01, 2007 02:52 PM

My alien friend said it was all true! He went back to area 51 before he could give me the hard facts on it! When he sneaks out again I get get some more juicy stuff.

MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY

November 2003

OCT 01, 2007 03:30 PM

CaptPajamaSharkX said:

MrStitches said:

CaptPajamaSharkX said:
Im going to say it probably due to much flaming pointed in my direction

He came here lillegally. he earned the money, yes, but he did so illegally. And by doing that, he was willing to give up his money, and he was an idiot for going to the airport with that much money anyway.

And the whole "its not THAT bad of a crime" stuff is bullshit, if we break the law, and are allowed to get away with it, that gives other people the idea to do it too. And then those people do it, impatience sets in, then our government thinks its ok (which is what they have done)

If you like doing things that arent legal, but you think SHOULD be legal, fight it like all hell, and make some change for yourself

Did you read the article? They didn't seize his money because he entered the country illegally. They seized it because he tried to leave the country without filling out a customs form.

I read the article, did you read the actual story?

This story is everywhere, Ive seen on at least 4 other news sites, and each one talked about his money being seized because yes, he didnt fill the propper forms out, but also they found out HE WAS HERE illegally

His immigration status had nothing to do with the seizure of the money he eared. And I am 99% sure that current immigration law does now allow the seizure of all assets of a person just because they earned them without a greencard or work visa.

zarth

Seattle, WA

December 2004

OCT 01, 2007 03:33 PM

MrStitches said:

CaptPajamaSharkX said:

MrStitches said:

CaptPajamaSharkX said:
Im going to say it probably due to much flaming pointed in my direction

He came here lillegally. he earned the money, yes, but he did so illegally. And by doing that, he was willing to give up his money, and he was an idiot for going to the airport with that much money anyway.

And the whole "its not THAT bad of a crime" stuff is bullshit, if we break the law, and are allowed to get away with it, that gives other people the idea to do it too. And then those people do it, impatience sets in, then our government thinks its ok (which is what they have done)

If you like doing things that arent legal, but you think SHOULD be legal, fight it like all hell, and make some change for yourself

Did you read the article? They didn't seize his money because he entered the country illegally. They seized it because he tried to leave the country without filling out a customs form.

I read the article, did you read the actual story?

This story is everywhere, Ive seen on at least 4 other news sites, and each one talked about his money being seized because yes, he didnt fill the propper forms out, but also they found out HE WAS HERE illegally

His immigration status had nothing to do with the seizure of the money he eared. And I am 99% sure that current immigration law does now allow the seizure of all assets of a person just because they earned them without a greencard or work visa.

But you're missing the point. He was ILLEGAL. It doesn't matter if he filled out the propper forms or not!

zarth

Seattle, WA

December 2004

OCT 01, 2007 03:45 PM

bald_eagle said:

MrStitches said:
His immigration status had nothing to do with the seizure of the money he eared. And I am 99% sure that current immigration law does now allow the seizure of all assets of a person just because they earned them without a greencard or work visa.

But-but-but HE WAS ILLEGAL!

AND he didn't even fill out the propper forms!

Westley

Vatican City

April 2004

OCT 01, 2007 04:08 PM

Zarth said:

bald_eagle said:

MrStitches said:
His immigration status had nothing to do with the seizure of the money he eared. And I am 99% sure that current immigration law does now allow the seizure of all assets of a person just because they earned them without a greencard or work visa.

But-but-but HE WAS ILLEGAL!

AND he didn't even fill out the propper forms!

Here's what to do if you want to get a lift from a Vogon: Forget it!! They are one of the most unpleasant races in the galaxy. Not actually evil, but bad tempered, bureaucratic, officious and callous. They wouldn't even lift a finger to save their own grandmothers from the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal without orders signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public enquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters.

MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY

November 2003

OCT 01, 2007 04:45 PM

bald_eagle said:

MrStitches said:

CaptPajamaSharkX said:

MrStitches said:
CaptPajamaSharkX said:

His immigration status had nothing to do with the seizure of the money he eared. And I am 99% sure that current immigration law does now allow the seizure of all assets of a person just because they earned them without a greencard or work visa.

But-but-but HE WAS ILLEGAL!

Wait, was he a brown fella?

Tyvron

Ann Arbor, MI

September 2007

OCT 02, 2007 12:09 PM

CaptPajamaSharkX said:
Im going to say it probably due to much flaming pointed in my direction

He came here lillegally. he earned the money, yes, but he did so illegally. And by doing that, he was willing to give up his money, and he was an idiot for going to the airport with that much money anyway.

And the whole "its not THAT bad of a crime" stuff is bullshit, if we break the law, and are allowed to get away with it, that gives other people the idea to do it too. And then those people do it, impatience sets in, then our government thinks its ok (which is what they have done)

If you like doing things that arent legal, but you think SHOULD be legal, fight it like all hell, and make some change for yourself

The flaw in your argument is that the "law" also has guidelines and procedures for how situations are supposed to be handled fairly and justly. There's nothing fair or just about tring to take 80% of his money on the spot with $9000 not to say anything then sicking the IRS on him when he tries to defend himself in court.

merryplot

Fort Eustis, VA

December 2006

OCT 02, 2007 01:09 PM

BlueRabbit said:
Immigration is still an issue with a lot of gray area for me. I'm still reading up on it and deciding how I feel. In an individual case like this though, I can say that that guy was treated unjustly. Most Americans don't know every one of our own laws. If a guy goes through security with that much money in plain view, he probably just doesn't have anything to hide. He should get all of his money back. The guy saved up $59,000 making $5.50 an hour! That's pretty amazing. I don't even think he should pay the back taxes anymore. If they'd just let him go reasonably, then he should have, but now I think the government owes it to him as asshole tax.

No asshole tax for anyone to include the government. Though they are assholes, they aren't the reason why he got away with it for so long. The establishments should pay some asshole fines, though. As far as our friend from the south, he should pay back taxes and then be sent on his way with the remainder. VOTE FOR PEDRO!

merryplot

Fort Eustis, VA

December 2006

OCT 02, 2007 01:12 PM

Zarth said:

Zarth said:

AmnSpecial said:
The government screwed him? How about the fact that he committed a CRIME???? He came here illiegally (key word right there by the way), worked shit jobs for years and then committed yet ANOTHER CRIME (not declaring that he had over $10K at customs) on his way out.

Take his money, deport his ass, and go after the people that hired him illegally as well. That's how the system works. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time!!!

How about we just execute him? He did commit a CRIME, after all. Wait, actually, it was two CRIMES. Three CRIMES, in fact, if you count tax evasion.

Hell, we should waterboard him first, too. Maybe cut off his balls. Then tear off his skin, roll it in broken glass, and put it back on him.

That'll sure show him.

When did taking illegally earned money become torture and killing? You are the first person to suggest that.

The point is about overreaction. Walking across an imaginary line in the sand may be a crime (or even a CRIME, if you will), but how much more serious is it than jaywalking, really?

Really.

he didnt pay TAXES. taxes like his go to support the military industrial complex, which help america dominate people like him. if he doenst pay his taxes, how are we going to support wars, bombing villages, GOP fundraisers and the like?

you know what? get the tazer on this dude.

AMEN! I'm in the army (go ahead- hate me) and those taxes pay my wages, wages which pave the way for eastern AND western expansion! That's the money for the great machine!

AceT

Portland, OR

April 2004

OCT 02, 2007 05:30 PM

Zarth said:

bald_eagle said:

MrStitches said:
His immigration status had nothing to do with the seizure of the money he eared. And I am 99% sure that current immigration law does now allow the seizure of all assets of a person just because they earned them without a greencard or work visa.

But-but-but HE WAS ILLEGAL!

AND he didn't even fill out the propper forms!

Here's what to do if you want to get a lift from a Vogon: Forget it!! They are one of the most unpleasant races in the galaxy. Not actually evil, but bad tempered, bureaucratic, officious and callous. They wouldn't even lift a finger to save their own grandmothers from the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal without orders signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public enquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters.

That information is apocryphal, or at least wildly inaccurate. The Vogons employ Dentrassi cooks which will help you hitch a ride. You need to update your Guide, sir.

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA

April 2005

OCT 02, 2007 10:51 PM

merryplot said:

attn_ho said:
he didnt pay TAXES. taxes like his go to support the military industrial complex, which help america dominate people like him. if he doenst pay his taxes, how are we going to support wars, bombing villages, GOP fundraisers and the like?

you know what? get the tazer on this dude.

AMEN! I'm in the army (go ahead- hate me) and those taxes pay my wages, wages which pave the way for eastern AND western expansion! That's the money for the great machine!

Hold on... you think that money (spent to fund the military industrial complex) goes to US military members? You're in Rumsfeld's military now! Yes, he resigned, but the era of military privatization he ushered in, moves on.

Also, how long until the 'free market can do the job better' than the military? How long until Blackwater replaces the Army?

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

EDIT: Sorry, I know that's getting quite off-subject. More of a point made than a question raised.

Kanner

New Zealand

September 2007

OCT 02, 2007 11:08 PM

Quite aside from the trillions of dollars that go to pork barrel Military-Congressional-Industrial projects of dubious benefit to your troops while soliders are left low paid, undergeared, and in harms way for questionable goals.

joelberg

United Kingdom

July 2005

OCT 03, 2007 09:57 AM

I LOVE THE IRS!

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

OCT 03, 2007 01:55 PM

oyaji said:

CaptPajamaSharkX said:
Im going to say it probably due to much flaming pointed in my direction

He came here lillegally. he earned the money, yes, but he did so illegally. And by doing that, he was willing to give up his money,

Please point me to the statute or case law that says that "illegal" immigrants can be deprived of their property with no due process.

Keep in mind, first, that I'm not arguing against you, and in fact I agree with you completely. Now that that's out of the way, here's what I think...

My totally uninformed, unprofessional assumption is that the agents seized his money under the pretense that it was seizable under U.S. Code: Title 18, Sec. 981, the section regarding civil forfeiture of assets related to all sorts of stuff.

Now, I'm not a lawyer and my knowledge of this stuff is only by way of a passing familiarity that gives me enough info to know what parameters to pass into a Google search. So my question to you or anyone else who knows this shit is this: What's the procedure to be followed prior to seizure of assets under that piece of law? Can they just take first and give back later if it turns out the seizure was inappropriate, or do they have to meet certain criteria before seizing assets?

elicit77

USA

October 2003

OCT 04, 2007 01:29 AM

My interpretation of the Gov and Mr. Pedro in this particular situation:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

robotlegionaire

Torrance, CA

February 2007

OCT 04, 2007 07:27 AM

My thoughts on this are that, while in the country illegally he was working shit jobs that were providing a service to Americans. Besides that the only difference between a citizen and a non-citizen in the eyes of the law, when you cut get past the smoke and mirrors bullshit, is whether or not your wages are taxed. So my personal thoughts are, and I respect the opinions of those who disagree, is that he should be paid his rightful amount of cash, minus the taxes that were not deducted previously. Doing so however would make him a "citizen" as I have described above, so it is very unlikely that it will happen.

MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY

November 2003

OCT 04, 2007 06:10 PM

robotlegionaire said:
My thoughts on this are that, while in the country illegally he was working shit jobs that were providing a service to Americans. Besides that the only difference between a citizen and a non-citizen in the eyes of the law, when you cut get past the smoke and mirrors bullshit, is whether or not your wages are taxed. So my personal thoughts are, and I respect the opinions of those who disagree, is that he should be paid his rightful amount of cash, minus the taxes that were not deducted previously. Doing so however would make him a "citizen" as I have described above, so it is very unlikely that it will happen.

That's true except that many illegal immigrants do pay taxes. They just don't get much out of it.

disappearing_inc

Roy, UT

July 2004

OCT 05, 2007 06:20 PM

merryplot said:
VOTE FOR PEDRO!

I can't believe it took 13 pages...

Varuka_Salt

I'm lost

October 2006

JUN 25, 2008 04:33 PM

Update!

He may be getting most of his money, that he already paid taxes on, BEFORE it was siezed!, back!

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