NEWS: Time To Take The Dems Behind The Barn And Shoot Them

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If you all were wondering if the Democratic candidates were going to pull the troops out when they came into office. Think again.

Tim Russert: "Senator Obama, will you pledge that by January 2013, the end of your first term, more than five years from now, that there will be no troops, US troops in Iraq?"

Obama: " I think it's hard to project four years from now. I think it would be irresponsible. We don't know what contingencies will be out there."

Russert: "Senator Clinton, you have said that you will not pledge to have all troops out by the end of your first term, 2013. Why not?"

Clinton: "It is very difficult to know what we're going to be inheriting. You know, we do not know, walking into the White House in January 2009, what we're going to find."

Russert: "Senator Edwards, will you commit that at the end of your first term, 2013, that all US troops will be out of Iraq?"

Edwards: "I cannot make that commitment."

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Say what you will about this guy , at least he has the balls to tell the truth about things from time to time .

But here is where you will find all the outraged Republicans fall silent:

That's right, according to Rush Limbaugh who still commands a good amount of influence in right wing circles, has made the assertion that those military members in Iraq who believe we should withdraw are "phony".

Only so long until we start seeing "Support Our Right-Wing Troops" or "Support Our Christian Troops" magnets on the back of cars.

Nor should they. Asking for deadlines from democrats, then when they refuse to commit screaming "SEE THEY ARE FOR THE WAR LIKE BUSH".. I mean, it's a total red herring. If you listen to any of these people talk you know they are not neo-cons. They're not going to go invading new countries to spread democracy. But they're also intelligent politicians who know that if they make a pledge to leave iraq they may be put in the position of either breaking their promise or leaving the country their predecessor tore to shreds to collapse in upon itself-- neither of which are acceptable to a reasonable person.

Maybe you need to listen to exactly what was said, and see why no Republicans said anything, Media Matters took the entire thing out of context along with the media.



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I watched that whole 8:15 minute video (painful) and Limbaugh is claiming his "phony soliders" comment was talking about actual fake soldiers like Jesse Macbeth? Fake anti-war soldiers are pretty fucking rare, that being the only case that I can think of. That's weaseling out the situation, isn't it? Isn't trying to exclaim that Jesse Macbeth is a hero of left and anti-war movement also taking the reality of the situation out of context? Then he brings up the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth, funded by right-wing groups, whose single purpose was to smear John Kerry's military service during the election.

Limbaugh was clearly referring to the previous caller (who claimed he was a ex-military Republican who had turned against the war) when he made the "phony" soldiers statement.

He never did exclaim that he "supports" anti-war troops the same as any other military members. If I was being accused of something like Limbaugh and I knew it was being taken out of context, I would want to be very clear about what I meant. But Limbaugh simply excused himself by bringing up a obscure anti-war straw-man.

Also, thanks for posting somebody's opinion as fact. Both sides have their media watchdog groups; MediaMatters on the left, Accuracy in Media on the right. There is a difference between these groups and blogs; blogs being opinion. Opinion cannot be fact.

Another thing, MediaMatters simply cannot be accused of taking the situation out of context because they always post complete transcripts on their web page.

And there appears to be some relatively minor criticism from the right-wing, but it deserves to be mentioned:

John McCain:

Mitt Romney's spokesman Kevin Madden:

Now, my point here, is not because I think Congress should be passing legislating condemning political figures or organizations like Rush Limbaugh or MoveOn.org, which only seems to be based upon party affiliations. It's really pretty stupid and panders only to political idiots. I just want to point out the overall hypocrisy of the MoveOn.org/Gen. Petraeus controversy.

...and there is still a divide between the two cases.