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DannyDMc

DannyDMc

Fargo, ND
July 2003

SEP 26, 2007 10:00 PM

malkav11 said:

chainlink said:As if none of the other books on his list have any racist connotations tongue
lets review a few shall we ?

books:

1. The Guns of the South
2. The Great War: American Front
3. Waffen-SS At War: Hitler's Praetorians 1925-1945



Guns Of the South ?
I love "alternate history" novels too ! Yeah those ones that make up an fantasy world where extremist racists from the AWB in the future travel back in time and hook up the Confederate army with AK-47s so they can defeat those pesky Yanks and secure the supremacy of the white race for the good of mankind.
Good stuff. It's just a fiction book, what ?

The Great War : American Front
Same author, pretty much the same stuff.
I think it's a "feel good" story.

Waffen-SS At War: Hitler's Praetorians 1925-1945
Of course who doesn't want to learn more about Hitlers special army ?
I mean , it's just history.

OMG !

whatever



Uh... I don't know, maybe in that context Harry Turtledove's books are indicative of a racist mindset. But I've read that Great War series and I think I also read the followup series, or a bit of it, and I didn't detect anything of the sort in the actual book(s). He's not the most dynamic storyteller out there, but I thought it was pretty interesting and not especially sympathetic to the Confederates. I mean, the guy they wound up electing after the Great War was an out and out dick.



Yah, Jake Featherston ain't going to be winning any Good Samaratin awards, thats for damn sure smile

That being said, Turtledove won't be winning the nobel prize for literature any time soon, either tongue

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

SEP 26, 2007 10:24 PM

Uncognitive said:
At this point it's beating a dead horse, but while I can understand how someone can be a fan of the "The South won the Civil War" sub-genre of alternate history and not be a CSA sympathizer, and how someone can be interested in Nazi Germany without being a fascist, I'm still baffled how anyone can be a fan of a poorly-written, blatantly racist and anti-Semitic screed like "Did Six Million Really Die?" unless they're somewhat sympatico with the ideas presented therein.

It's like saying "The Turner Diaries" is your favorite novel.



Well, yeah, I totally agree there. Although I have never heard of "The Turner Diaries" or "Did Six Million Really Die?" for that matter. Which sounds like my library(/workplace) has good taste.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

SEP 27, 2007 12:15 AM

ComiGeorGe said:

reprobate said:
And you're not, perhaps, blinded by living somewhere with a .12% black population?


As oppossed to you, who lives underwater?



No, as someone who actually lives with, you know, the people I purport to talk about. You are a halfwit selected against by forces of nature and doomed to a life of washing the laundry of rich white folks who for the most part inherited their privilege. Way to pick your battles, moron.


You know what, I give up. I'm completely and totally wrong on every issue I had an arguement here for on this board. Sorry for wasting you time, folks.



Capitulating, without learning why you lost, is the path to the permanent underclass. If nothing else, you should want better for your kids, so pay attention.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

SEP 27, 2007 12:47 AM

malkav11 said:

Uncognitive said:
At this point it's beating a dead horse, but while I can understand how someone can be a fan of the "The South won the Civil War" sub-genre of alternate history and not be a CSA sympathizer, and how someone can be interested in Nazi Germany without being a fascist, I'm still baffled how anyone can be a fan of a poorly-written, blatantly racist and anti-Semitic screed like "Did Six Million Really Die?" unless they're somewhat sympatico with the ideas presented therein.

It's like saying "The Turner Diaries" is your favorite novel.



Well, yeah, I totally agree there. Although I have never heard of "The Turner Diaries" or "Did Six Million Really Die?" for that matter. Which sounds like my library(/workplace) has good taste.



Good ole Tim McVeigh based his oklahoma city bombing on the turner diaries.

Otoki

Otoki

SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

OCT 09, 2007 03:03 PM

Damn, I missed all the fun. I had a good laugh at ComiGeorGe. Priceless.

My brother would like to add his +1 to malkav's points on Harry Turtledove. It's alt-hist without the utopia.

DhD_No_Pants

DhD_No_Pants

Katy, TX
May 2006

OCT 10, 2007 06:22 AM

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

OCT 10, 2007 06:33 AM


That's pretty fucked up. Not too many details yet, but at least it's being investigated as a hate crime.

mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

OCT 10, 2007 01:58 PM

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

OCT 10, 2007 05:52 PM

Nasty...
frown

DannyDMc

DannyDMc

Fargo, ND
July 2003

OCT 10, 2007 10:43 PM

malkav11 said:

Uncognitive said:
At this point it's beating a dead horse, but while I can understand how someone can be a fan of the "The South won the Civil War" sub-genre of alternate history and not be a CSA sympathizer, and how someone can be interested in Nazi Germany without being a fascist, I'm still baffled how anyone can be a fan of a poorly-written, blatantly racist and anti-Semitic screed like "Did Six Million Really Die?" unless they're somewhat sympatico with the ideas presented therein.

It's like saying "The Turner Diaries" is your favorite novel.



Well, yeah, I totally agree there. Although I have never heard of "The Turner Diaries" or "Did Six Million Really Die?" for that matter. Which sounds like my library(/workplace) has good taste.



"The Turner Diaries" is a book about, I believe, a supposed Jewish conspiracy against the country. ZOG (when ever I hear that I want to saw "Bow to ZOG!" biggrin ) takes over the country and some 'brave' (note I'm puttying that is quatations!) freedom fighters blow up federal buildings to reclaim the country.
Its a digusting little book that is uber-popular amongst the Militia and FAR-FAR Right-Wing crowd. Timothy McVeigh was inspired by it when he blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City.
Its a BAAAAAAD book. (I mean this from both its politics AND from the literary standpoint; from everything I've heard, the thing is written in the trashiest form imaginable.)

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004
SergeantPsycho

SergeantPsycho

USA
January 2007

JUN 26, 2009 03:08 PM

I'm wondering if it might not have been a good idea for Mychal Bell at least to serve some jail time. I read quite a while ago that he actually survived a failed suicide attempt. Perhaps if he was in jail for a while he could have recieved the counseling he needs.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUN 26, 2009 04:46 PM

SergeantPsycho said:
I'm wondering if it might not have been a good idea for Mychal Bell at least to serve some jail time. I read quite a while ago that he actually survived a failed suicide attempt. Perhaps if he was in jail for a while he could have recieved the counseling he needs.



A) You know they have counseling for people who attempt suicide outside of prison, right?

B) Given the history of prison medical support in this country, I don't have a whole lot of confidence he would have gotten the counseling he needs.

C) He is the "6th" in the "5 of 6" above. He was already sentenced to 18 months for simple battery following a plea agreement that happened in 2007.

and D) According to an interview he did with CNN, the pressure and constant scrutiny he was under from being on probation with so many people looking at him led to his suicide attempt. I don't think that's as much of a problem now that it's all over and he has done his time.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

JUN 26, 2009 05:37 PM

You know I actually wondered for a second who revived this trainwreck of a thread.

It still baffles me how people so murderously stupid survive to adulthood.


bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUN 26, 2009 06:17 PM

reprobate said:
You know I actually wondered for a second who revived this trainwreck of a thread.


To be fair, it was a valid bump by Rafi to provide an update from today's news.

smithers_jones

smithers_jones

I'm lost
November 2003

JUN 26, 2009 10:03 PM

SergeantPsycho said:
I'm wondering if it might not have been a good idea for Mychal Bell at least to serve some jail time. I read quite a while ago that he actually survived a failed suicide attempt. Perhaps if he was in jail for a while he could have recieved the counseling he needs.



Totally. Serving time in the nurturing environment of a prison is known to do wonders for people suffering from depression.

Rafi

Rafi

Santa Monica, CA
January 2003

JUN 26, 2009 10:46 PM

reprobate said:
You know I actually wondered for a second who revived this trainwreck of a thread.

It still baffles me how people so murderously stupid survive to adulthood.




Perhaps I should have known that no good could have come of it, but it was either resurrect this thread and the monuments to idiocy contained within, or risk being chastised for starting another thread with the news update when there's already an open thread on the topic.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

JUN 27, 2009 04:22 PM

Rafi said:

reprobate said:
You know I actually wondered for a second who revived this trainwreck of a thread.

It still baffles me how people so murderously stupid survive to adulthood.




Perhaps I should have known that no good could have come of it, but it was either resurrect this thread and the monuments to idiocy contained within, or risk being chastised for starting another thread with the news update when there's already an open thread on the topic.



No, no, my reply was less than cogent. It was what was left of a much longer post that I deleted in a fit of better judgement.

This particular subject hits a bit close to home for me and Sgt. Halfwit, well, I wonder how it could possibly be that natural selection hasn't removed him from our midst.

PRockGirlScout

PRockGirlScout

Portland, OR
October 2005

JUN 27, 2009 06:05 PM

I'm shocked that hate crime legislation even needs to be applied. Isn't the hanging of a noose a form of menacing or criminal threatening?

PS Subrosa certainly has sufficient journalistic chops. But journalist doesn't pay nearly what lawyer does. It's ok to admit it. I switched from Journalism to Business Administration for the same reason. tongue

c4ff31n3

c4ff31n3

I'm lost
November 2004

JUN 29, 2009 08:15 AM

This isn't a Southern issue, it's an American issue, and in turn a human issue.

In the States there is no less bigotry now than 40 years ago (yes, a jab at the 60's and the resulting self-congratulatory smarminess; I'm apparently GenX), the attempts to use laws to make life more just, more fair weren't entirely successful.

Kudos to Dingoes8. That crazy Bill of Rights thing was a damned good idea.

"it’s difficult to sort through rhetoric from observation."
Well-said, the press is all too ready to pander to emotional reaction rather than engage in neutral observation and reporting. I suppose if there were folks that weren't poised for indignation about their pet issues, the press wouldn't have become what it is. Ah well.

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