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Ascanius

Ascanius

USA
October 2006

SEP 09, 2007 11:06 PM

chikinhammr said:
You hate Bush, we get it.



What cutting, brilliant repartee. Your mother must be very proud.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

SEP 09, 2007 11:43 PM

chikinhammr said:
You hate Bush, we get it.



No, actually you don't get it. Turns out I am the political editor for SG. Also, Bush is the president of the United States. Those two facts mean that I end up writing about the president of the United States quite a bit.

Now do you get it? I'm sorry I have to explain things to you that are so simple.

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 10, 2007 12:37 AM

chikinhammr said:
You hate Bush, we get it.



You toe the party line but lack the capacity to write an op-ed piece, we get it.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

SEP 10, 2007 07:57 AM

BlastProcessing said:

chikinhammr said:
You hate Bush, we get it.



You toe the party line but lack the capacity to write an op-ed piece, we get it.



It's not really chikinhammr's fault that his responses don't have any acutal substance. There isn't much left to defend Bush with.

oldmanwinter

oldmanwinter

Los Angeles, CA
March 2007

SEP 12, 2007 12:47 PM

I don't get why we think a week's worth of training our own troops on how to handle Iraq is sufficient, but it takes longer than 4 years to train a people who already know the culture, language and terrain? How could it take that much longer to educate someone from the Cradle of Civilization than someone who hates books?

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

JUN 23, 2008 02:44 AM

June 21, 2008
Big Gains for Iraq Security, but Questions Linger
By STEPHEN FARRELL and RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr.

BAGHDAD %u2014 What's going right? And can it last?

Violence in all of Iraq is the lowest since March 2004. The two largest cities, Baghdad and Basra, are calmer than they have been for years. The third largest, Mosul, is in the midst of a major security operation. On Thursday, Iraqi forces swept unopposed through the southern city of Amara, which has been controlled by Shiite militias. There is a sense that Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki's government has more political traction than any of its predecessors.

Consider the latest caricatures of Mr. Maliki put up on posters by the followers of Moktada al-Sadr, the fiery cleric who commands deep loyalty among poor Shiites. They show the prime minister's face split in two %u2014 half his own, half Saddam Hussein's. The comparison is, of course, intended as a searing criticism. But only three months ago the same Sadr City pamphleteers were lampooning Mr. Maliki as half-man, half-parrot, merely echoing the words of his more powerful Shiite and American backers. It is a notable swing from mocking an opponent perceived to be weak to denouncing one feared to be strong.

For Hatem al-Bachary, a Basra businessman, the turnabout has been "a miracle," the first tentative signs of a normal life.

"I don't think the militias have disappeared, and maybe there are sleeper cells which will try to revive themselves again," he said. "But the first time they try to come back they will have to show themselves, and the government, army and police are doing very well."

While the increase in American troops and their support behind the scenes in the recent operations has helped tamp down the violence, there are signs that both the Iraqi security forces and the Iraqi government are making strides. There are simply more Iraqi troops for the government to deploy, partly because fewer are needed to fight the Sunni insurgents, who have defected to the Sunni Awakening movement. They are paid to keep the peace.

Mr. Maliki's moves against Shiite militias have built some trust with wary Sunnis, offering the potential for political reconciliation. High oil prices are filling Iraqi government coffers. But even these successes contain the seeds of vulnerability. The government victories in Basra, Sadr City and Amara were essentially negotiated, so the militias are lying low but undefeated and seething with resentment. Mr. Maliki may be raising expectations among Sunnis that he cannot fulfill, and the Sunni Awakening forces in many cases are loyal to their American paymasters, not the Shiite government. Restive Iraqis want to see the government spend money to improve services. Attacks like the bombing that killed 63 people in Baghdad's Huriya neighborhood on Tuesday showed that opponents can continue to inflict carnage.

Perhaps most worrisome, more than five years after the American invasion, which knocked Mr. Hussein from power but set off great chaos, Iraq still lacks the formal rules to divide the power and spoils of an oil-rich nation among ethnic, religious and tribal groups and unite them under one stable idea of Iraq. The improvements are fragile.

The changes are already affecting Iraq's complicated relationship with America. In the presidential campaign, a debate is rising about whether the quiet means American soldiers can leave.

Iraqi Officials Gain Confidence

American military commanders are seeing a new confidence among Iraqi leaders. They said they believed that the success of the recent military operations had played a role in the Iraqi government's firm rebuff of American negotiators over a new long-term security pact to govern the United States military presence after the end of this year.

"They are feeling very strong right now, after Basra, Mosul and Sadr City," said one senior American official.

The most obvious but often overlooked reason for the recent military success has been an increase in the number of trained Iraqi troops.

The quality of the recruits and leadership has often been poor, even in recent months. In Baghdad's Sadr City, one Iraqi company abandoned its position in April, forcing American and Iraqi commanders to fill the gap with hastily summoned reinforcements. In Basra, more than 1,000 recently qualified soldiers deserted rather than obey orders to fight against Mr. Sadr's Mahdi Army. One senior Iraqi government official conceded that the deserters simply "felt that the other side was too strong."

But sheer numbers have helped to overcome the shortcomings. After the embarrassing setback in Basra, Mr. Maliki was able to pull units from elsewhere to provide reinforcements and saturate the city with checkpoints and patrols, restoring a measure of order after years of domination by Islamist militias and oil-smuggling mafias.

American officials said 50,000 members of Iraqi security forces took part in the Basra campaign, 45,000 in Mosul, and 10,000 in Sadr City %u2014 troops that would not have been available to Mr. Maliki's predecessors. The Iraqis had by far the largest numbers of troops, although American and other coalition troops provided crucial air power, reconnaissance, logistics, medical support and even expertise in psychological operations.

One key source of that manpower has been training: Over the past year the Iraqi Army has added 52,000 soldiers; the Iraqi police and the national police have added 59,000; and Iraq special operations forces have added 1,400 troops, Lt. Gen. James M. Dubik, chief of the American security training and equipping mission, said last month. Yet another reason was that many troops were not tied down fighting Sunni insurgents in places like Anbar Province. That is thanks to the Sunni Awakening, and a related program in which the American military has paid thousands of former insurgents and militia fighters and made them neighborhood guards.

"Our successes reduced the pressure on the Iraqi security forces by more than 50 percent," said Sheik Hussain Abaid, the leader of one such pro-American group south of Baghdad.

Ali Hatem al-Suleiman, an Awakening leader in Anbar, said an entire Army regiment of Anbari tribesmen was sent to fight in Mosul, while a division based in Anbar was rushed to Basra after commanders decided that a more stable security situation in Anbar meant the troops could be freed to fight elsewhere. Even Shiite government officials, long suspicious of the Awakening because it employs insurgents responsible for the deaths of Shiites, agreed. "Before, there was a security void in their areas, but they were able to fill it," said Ali Adeeb, a senior official in the Dawa party and a close ally of Mr. Maliki.

Defining a Military Victory

But the government's successes in Basra and Sadr City were not so much victories as heavy fighting followed by truces that allowed the militias to melt away with their weapons. "We may have wasted an opportunity in Basra to kill those that needed to be killed," said one American defense official, who would speak candidly about the issue only if he was granted anonymity.

And in Mosul, the celebrations over the performance of the Iraqis who fought there have glossed over the tremendous %u2014 but hidden %u2014 role played by American Special Operations forces to clear out the toughest enemy fighters before the Iraqi soldiers arrived in full. "It is underreported how much the secret guys did to set the conditions for the Iraqi Army to go in and do what they did," the official said.

What remains to be seen is whether the Iraqi government can capitalize on the operational successes with concrete steps that improve the lives of people in the three areas, like basic municipal services and economic opportunities. "The fear is unrealistic expectations," the American defense official said. "Services do take time."

Failure to follow through could wipe out many of the gains in places like Hayaniya, one of Basra's most deprived areas and a Sadrist stronghold, where residents already grumble that they have seen little evidence of improvement. "They said they will repair schools and roads %u2014 but when and where?" said Ali Alwan, 45. "It is only talk. We suffered during the military operation, but what is the reward?" Mr. Maliki's operations against fellow Shiites in Basra and Sadr City have bought at least temporary political good will from Sunnis who long saw his Shiite-dominated government as the enemy. Interviews with three dozen Sunni merchants, academics, teachers, laborers, government officials and office workers in former insurgent strongholds like Falluja, Tikrit, and Baghdad's Adhamiya, Amiriya and Fadhil neighborhoods suggested that the prime minister had gained some ground with a group whose loyalty is essential in building a unified and stable state.

Abdul Hadi Jasim, a barber from Adhamiya, said, "Now, after one of the biggest Shiite militias that ravaged Basra was targeted, I think there is a sense of justice and fairness." But old suspicions linger, and Sunnis remember the slaughter inflicted by Shiite militias from 2004 to 2007, and how Shiite death squads were protected by Iraqi security forces. In addition to the Mahdi Army, many Sunnis fear the Badr organization, the armed wing of the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq, a close ally of Mr. Maliki's Dawa Party. Badr forces dominate some Iraqi security force units.

"Maliki's war was a selective one," says Falah Muhammad Abdullah, 46, an engineer from Falluja. "Why does Maliki's government hunt down the Mahdi militia while it neglects Badr?"

Sunni Skepticism Remains

Many Sunnis are convinced that Mr. Maliki is trying to serve other masters: Iran, the Americans, or his own Dawa Party and the Islamic Supreme Council. Both face a serious challenge from the Sadrists in provincial elections later this year.

Mowafaq Abu Omar, a 52-year-old street merchant in Adhamiya, voiced a common suspicion %u2014 that the true aims of the Basra operation were to seize control of Iraq's only significant port and to advance the creation of a large, autonomous and oil-rich Shiite super-province in the south.

There is also less enthusiasm for the recent operation in western Mosul, which is largely Sunni. Eman al-Hayali, a teacher in Amiriya, praised Mr. Maliki for weakening Mr. Sadr's Mahdi Army but said she feared the Mosul operation was intended to satisfy the Maliki government's patrons in Iran and telegraph a message to Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "Do not worry, your excellency, we are also killing Sunnis.' "

With such suspicions just below the surface, stability would be jeopardized if former insurgents serving in the Awakening forces come to believe that they are being used by the Shiite-led government while getting little in return.

"We are pleased with the government only regarding the war against the Shiite militias," says Khalid al-Summaraie, a Sunni militia leader in Baghdad's Fadhil neighborhood. He added pointedly, "They haven't done anything for us that will give us a better standard of living."

Another important factor buoying Mr. Maliki has been the sharp rise in oil prices, which, among other things, has allowed the Iraqi central bank to buy back its currency at a feverish pace, forcing the value of the Iraqi dinar higher and limiting increases in consumer prices. Driven by higher food costs, inflation stood last month at the rate of 16 percent, up from 11 percent in January.

But that rate might be a good deal higher without the central bank's aggressive policies. The bank spends $1 billion to $1.5 billion every month in oil revenue to buy Iraqi dinars on the open market, said Mudher M. Salih Kasim, senior adviser to the bank. This is the main lever for controlling consumer prices, said Mr. Kasim, who noted that the value of the dinar had risen about 20 percent against the dollar. An oil price crash, he added, would be "a disaster."

The government is also trying to funnel money to placate Iraqis who endured the military operations in Sadr City, Mosul and Basra and cement their loyalty. Tahseen al-Sheikhly, a spokesman for the Baghdad security plan, said $100 million would go to Sadr City to upgrade economic and social conditions there in the wake of the two-month military operation, which left buildings shattered and markets destroyed. Dr. Safaa al-Deen al-Safi, who is charged with carrying out development and reconstruction activities, said another $100 million would be spent on areas like health and education.

Reversible Gains

The anti-government and anti-occupation forces have also stumbled. The Islamist Sunni insurgents alienated many Iraqis with a trail of blood and bans on alcohol and smoking. And as attacks on Shiite areas by Sunni insurgents dropped, Shiites who had looked to the Mahdi Army for self-defense were less willing to put up with abuses.

But the improvements in Iraq face an array of destabilizing provincial, national and regional forces. The Sunni insurgency %u2014 now in many places operating as pro-American Awakening groups %u2014 continues to wait to see whether the government makes good on promises of jobs and a less sectarian administration of security and public services and infrastructure.

The Sadrists remain powerful and may not forgive what many consider a betrayal by Mr. Maliki, who could not have become prime minister two years ago without their blessing. Mohanned al-Gharrawi, a senior Sadrist cleric in Baghdad, said, "We feel like a bridge that they used to reach their aims and goals, and then they left us behind."

Despite their newfound confidence, some senior Iraqi officials close to Mr. Maliki said that without an American military safety net they are vulnerable to threats from outside and inside their borders. One important but less-noticed element of the security negotiations has been Iraq's effort to extract an American pledge to defend the government against foreign or domestic aggression. Mr. Adeeb, the top Maliki adviser, said officials wanted the Americans to protect the Iraqi government against anything the government viewed as a threat %u2014 not just what the Americans saw as a threat.

"Our political system is weak, the terrorists and former regime members are sparing no effort to overthrow the system, and neighboring countries have their own ambitions," Mr. Adeeb said. "Our army is not qualified to defend Iraq yet."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/21/world/middleeast/21security.html?hp=&pagewanted=all

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

JUN 23, 2008 02:51 AM

so... yeah, the surge still hasn't worked. thanks for the update, buddy!

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

JUN 23, 2008 04:00 PM

I was going to do a snarky cut-and-paste op-ed to see if they actually work, but after I realized that they totally don't, I decided to just link it instead.

scylis

scylis

USA
November 2004

JUN 23, 2008 04:03 PM

stockula said:
stuff [/TLDR]



NECROMANCY!!

Varuka_Salt

Varuka_Salt

I'm lost
October 2006

JUN 23, 2008 04:17 PM

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Oskar

Oskar

United Kingdom
February 2005

JUN 23, 2008 04:44 PM

scylis said:

stockula said:
stuff [/TLDR]



NECROMANCY!!



Nikto Dominus......oh shit.

Enough with the copy pasta already...

ckdexterhaven

ckdexterhaven

USA
December 2005

JUN 23, 2008 04:46 PM

DeviantDissident

DeviantDissident

Richmond, VA
March 2004

JUN 26, 2008 04:18 PM

First off I was looking through the GAO list of benchmarks not met and noticed something that was glaringly obvious to me but i think everyone has overlooked. 5 of those benchmarks begin with the words "Enacting and implementing legislation". Can anyone tell me when it became the American military's job to enact and implement legislation? That was a goal the commanders wanted to see happen but it is the job of the elected officials of Iraq to enact and implement legislation, we've all seen how long our Congress can debate and bicker over legislation before it passes through (unless of course it's some insanely unconstitutional bill (Patriot Act *ahem*) that gives big brother more power and is slipped through in the midnight hours) do you really think that kind of legislation is going to be agreed upon and finalized overnight?

Most of the other benchmarks involved the Iraqi security forces, while they may not have been complete with those goals when the report was made we have made a lot of progress in that area. Now that violence is down the American military can spend more time training the Iraqi security forces and bringing them to the level where they will be able to defend their country and make sure it doesn't fall apart at the seams the second we leave.

I'm currently stationed in Iraq and I can say the troop surge has made a pretty big difference. A year and a half ago the area I'm currently in was seeing attacks on American and Iraqi forces around an average of 50 times a day, that number right now is down to 1 or 2 attacks a day. I'd say that's a bit of a difference, personally I'm pretty happy I'm not getting blown up or shot at everyday on patrol. We're also making a lot of progress improving the living conditions in the area, these days we spend more time scouting out areas looking for civil works projects contracts than we do looking for insurgents. Now that we're improving the living conditions while at the same time providing jobs to the locals by giving them contracts they're less likely to emplace IEDs for the insurgents so they can feed their families.

I'm no fan of Bush, personally I despise him and all his cronies, and I opposed the Iraqi war from the beginning but since we went in and threw their country into chaos I think we at least have an obligation to help them get back on their feet.

felony187

felony187

Denver, CO
June 2007

JUN 26, 2008 07:38 PM

DeviantDissident said:
First off I was looking through the GAO list of benchmarks not met and noticed something that was glaringly obvious to me but i think everyone has overlooked. 5 of those benchmarks begin with the words "Enacting and implementing legislation". Can anyone tell me when it became the American military's job to enact and implement legislation? That was a goal the commanders wanted to see happen but it is the job of the elected officials of Iraq to enact and implement legislation, we've all seen how long our Congress can debate and bicker over legislation before it passes through (unless of course it's some insanely unconstitutional bill (Patriot Act *ahem*) that gives big brother more power and is slipped through in the midnight hours) do you really think that kind of legislation is going to be agreed upon and finalized overnight?

Most of the other benchmarks involved the Iraqi security forces, while they may not have been complete with those goals when the report was made we have made a lot of progress in that area. Now that violence is down the American military can spend more time training the Iraqi security forces and bringing them to the level where they will be able to defend their country and make sure it doesn't fall apart at the seams the second we leave.

I'm currently stationed in Iraq and I can say the troop surge has made a pretty big difference. A year and a half ago the area I'm currently in was seeing attacks on American and Iraqi forces around an average of 50 times a day, that number right now is down to 1 or 2 attacks a day. I'd say that's a bit of a difference, personally I'm pretty happy I'm not getting blown up or shot at everyday on patrol. We're also making a lot of progress improving the living conditions in the area, these days we spend more time scouting out areas looking for civil works projects contracts than we do looking for insurgents. Now that we're improving the living conditions while at the same time providing jobs to the locals by giving them contracts they're less likely to emplace IEDs for the insurgents so they can feed their families.

I'm no fan of Bush, personally I despise him and all his cronies, and I opposed the Iraqi war from the beginning but since we went in and threw their country into chaos I think we at least have an obligation to help them get back on their feet.



I'm glad to have an actual boots on the ground interpretation of what's happening in Iraq.
Quite frankly whether or not the surge is working. Bush and the manchurian candidate and their corporate pimps are going to try and keep us there for a long long time. They have long term financial interest's and its about the oil.

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Batavia, IL
January 2005

JUN 27, 2008 08:39 AM

scylis said:

stockula said:
stuff [/TLDR]



NECROMANCY!!



KILL IT! KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!

silversoul7

silversoul7

Portland, OR
January 2008

JUN 27, 2008 09:13 AM

felony187 said:
I'm glad to have an actual boots on the ground interpretation of what's happening in Iraq.
Quite frankly whether or not the surge is working. Bush and the manchurian candidate and their corporate pimps are going to try and keep us there for a long long time. They have long term financial interest's and its about the oil.


Indeed. I think the real issue in this election is not whether or not the surge is working, but what we want to do as a result. McCain thinks that as long as American casualties are down, we can stay in Iraq forever and build permanent military bases, while Obama wants to bring our troops home and leave Iraq in peace. It's no longer really a matter of retreat vs. "stay the course," so much as American empire vs. sound foreign policy.

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