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whitepuma

whitepuma

Australia
March 2004

SEP 04, 2007 06:37 PM


Damn this must be a bit of a kick in the teeth to those who belive that the world is like only 10,000 yrs old and god put dinosar fosils on earth to test the faith and that god created the world or is this all part of gods master plan.

FormerlySid

FormerlySid

Providence, RI
June 2007

SEP 04, 2007 06:47 PM

This explains a lot!

Moneyshot29

Moneyshot29

Toledo, OH
May 2004

SEP 04, 2007 06:56 PM

Vampirate said:

Moneyshot29 said:

Garfish said:
Hmm... does this mean that one day, potentially, specially altered bacteria could be used for gene therapy OR more importantly giving me x-ray vision?




That's a possibility, but I don't think that will really be in the works for quite a long time. Currently most work in the gene therapy field is using viruses, which are incredibly simple where as bacteria are quite complex. Keep It Simple, Stupid! I think viruses are still the way to go for gene therapy. That being said... I could be wrong smile


It's not a matter of simple/complex; it's a matter of mechanism. Viruses reproduce by actively inserting their DNA in a host's cells, taking it over and forcing the cell to make copies of the virus. Wolbachia (and similar parasites actually categorized as "alive") do not, as a matter of normal function, exchange genetic material with their hosts. Bacterial DNA spliced into a host's genetic code is a much rarer phenomenon. (Although, I guess, not quite as rare as we thought!)



actually your point about mechanism is part of the simple/complex. SOME viruses insert themselves into the host genome.. hence a simple, already in-place mechanism for gene therapy. bacteria.. in addition to doing hundreds of other things (ie being complex) can also insert their genetic material into the host genome. There is a mechanism there, but there so much other stuff bacteria do it'd be tedious and difficult to strip it down to just the insertion of genetic material. hence we stick with the simple virus.

CancerSticker

CancerSticker

Austin, TX
February 2007

SEP 04, 2007 07:40 PM

flyonwall said:

Skywisdom said:
I'm sorry, I stopped at genetically influenced bugs. This means I get to be Spider-Man, right? Right?



i think that means you get to be fruit-fly man actually..

me? i'm waiting for my very own spider-pig!



a pig that's all legs is all ham and no bacon... not a winner in my book.

_DictionaryGirl_

_DictionaryGirl_

NEWSWIRE

San Diego, CA

SEP 04, 2007 09:20 PM

Oh, dude. Creepy. surreal

Ascanius

Ascanius

South Royalton, VT
October 2006

SEP 04, 2007 10:18 PM

CancerSticker said:

flyonwall said:

Skywisdom said:
I'm sorry, I stopped at genetically influenced bugs. This means I get to be Spider-Man, right? Right?



i think that means you get to be fruit-fly man actually..

me? i'm waiting for my very own spider-pig!



a pig that's all legs is all ham and no bacon... not a winner in my book.



Dude.

aaronthere

aaronthere

San Francisco, CA
September 2003

SEP 05, 2007 12:45 AM

If this is the case, our toilet is pretty evolved.

Mankarlen

Mankarlen

Columbia City, OR
June 2006

SEP 05, 2007 04:49 AM

Only works if you believe in a unproven theory. They keep trying. robot

Hussein

Hussein

I'm lost
March 2004

SEP 05, 2007 08:05 AM

Mankarlen said:
Only works if you believe in a unproven theory. They keep trying. robot



And you have a viable alternative theory?

Hussein

Hussein

I'm lost
March 2004

SEP 05, 2007 08:08 AM

Good article.

It's interesting how the endosymbiotic theory has become Biology 101 in terms of the origin of mitochondria, etc. When Lynn Margulis revived the idea, many people thought it was nuts.

magpieboy

magpieboy

Seattle, WA
June 2004

SEP 05, 2007 08:20 AM

I, for one, reject our new Wolbachia overlords, because they have a disturbing tendency to do things like skew sex-ratios to females, and otherwise eliminate males from populations.

WAIT. I like these new Wolbachia overlords. If they're really in the genome, they can be inherited through both males and females, meaning there's no selection for them to fuck males over! (Most of these guys are found in the cellular material and thus are not passed on in sperm. Since males only reproduce through production of sperm, they represent dead ends for W., so W. has evolved to fuck with the sex ratios in many insect species.)

/salute Wolbachia

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

SEP 05, 2007 03:08 PM

Thinking about it, I don't know why the hell I was surprised by this. I mean, (some) life went from single-cell to multi-cell at some point... some mechanism would be needed to do that, and I'm not seeing a reason for it to be discarded, as such.

Greybeard

Greybeard

Los Angeles, CA
December 2006

SEP 20, 2007 05:56 AM

Fascinating! I have long felt that the radiation => transcription error => mutation => evolution model was dreadfully inadequate.

Mr_Mocata

Mr_Mocata

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

SEP 20, 2007 01:36 PM

I wonder what implications this has for the pro/anti GM foods debate?

I have often heard it argued that transferring genes from one species to another is 'unnatural'.

Given that the transfer of genetic material between species is somewhat more widespread than previously realised, perhaps this undermines the argument that GM foods are 'unnatural'.

Mr_Mocata

Mr_Mocata

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

SEP 20, 2007 01:36 PM

On the other hand I have a vague recollection that some variant forms of genes implicated in some autoimmune diseases may contain sequences which resemble sequences of viral DNA (viral DNA, not bacterial DNA but, who knows, we probably have bacterial DNA in our genome as well).

Chadistentialism

Chadistentialism

Jackson, MI
April 2007

OCT 15, 2007 03:21 PM

When a foreign organism assimilates itself into replicating cells and takes on a needed function it humbles the human idea of dominance. "I'm in your cells and you need me, what now?"

Furthermore the idea of interconnectedness or the unity and oneness of all things has entered a new realm. Eastern mystics and quantum physicists, pay attention.

I am one with the Wolbachia.

Tritone

Tritone

Saint Paul, MN
May 2004

OCT 17, 2007 01:52 PM

Chadistentialism said:
When a foreign organism assimilates itself into replicating cells and takes on a needed function it humbles the human idea of dominance. "I'm in your cells and you need me, what now?"

Furthermore the idea of interconnectedness or the unity and oneness of all things has entered a new realm. Eastern mystics and quantum physicists, pay attention.

I am one with the Wolbachia.



No love for mitochondria?

Was a huge fan of this when it hit slashdot. Yay Fluxxorz for bringing it up here.

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