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KingHELL

kinghell

Portland, OR
July 2003

AUG 30, 2007 09:28 AM

bald_eagle said:
All true. But if you kick out every US Senator who lies, they won't have a quorum.



You say that like it's a bad thing...

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

AUG 31, 2007 04:34 PM

Well, unfortunately, looks like he's resigning.

AP is reporting that tomorrow, Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) will announce whether or not he intends to resign. "Idaho Gov. C.L. 'Butch' Otter already appears to have settled on a successor - Lt. Gov. Jim Risch, according to several Republicans familiar with internal deliberations."

Jace

Jace

San Francisco, CA
February 2004

AUG 31, 2007 04:57 PM

Dude. He's resigning over this.

What the fuck.

attn_ho

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

AUG 31, 2007 06:58 PM

Jace said:
Dude. He's resigning over this.

What the fuck.



hes G-A-Y-!
no one in the republican party will want to shake his hand after this!




ok, its been five minutes. we should start taking bets on the next gaypublican to be outed.

ASSH0LE

ASSH0LE

Las Vegas, NV
June 2003

SEP 01, 2007 11:51 AM

Let me post AROUND the issue a wee bit.

Why anonymous sex with strangers? Could have a bit to do with the shame society associates with homosexuality. But honestly, I think thats way less of a reason than the fact that homosexual males have sex with other males.

It's the same reason the public tends to have that much more disdain for gay men than with lesbians. Women are seen as the dam that holds back the tide of wanton whatever that "all men want."

We're disturbed (and perhaps a bit jealous) that two individuals who always want sex have one another to always get it from.

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

SEP 01, 2007 02:29 PM

bald_eagle said:

ASSH0LE said:
Let me post AROUND the issue a wee bit.

Why anonymous sex with strangers? Could have a bit to do with the shame society associates with homosexuality. But honestly, I think thats way less of a reason than the fact that homosexual males have sex with other males.


Many homosexuals are monogamous. And many heteros have anonymous sex with strangers. I think it had more to do with the fact he was cheating on his wife.


ASSH0LE is specifically addressing the issue of anonymous gay sex. Gay monogamy, and heterosexual anonymous hookups, are actually offtopic here.

My understanding is that heterosexual anonymous sex is pretty different from gay anonymous sex. There is no straight equivalent of the bath house scene (at least not one that doesn't involve rohypnol or something), and girls don't wander around parks at night hoping to have sex with random guys in bushes (unless there's an exchange of money involved).

Those are both legacies of the closet, really, for all that they've been claimed for liberation, too. And they're used to advantage by the closeted.

bald_eagle said:

ASSH0LE said:
It's the same reason the public tends to have that much more disdain for gay men than with lesbians. Women are seen as the dam that holds back the tide of wanton whatever that "all men want."


It could just be that two women gettin' it on seems sexy (to men and to many women), whereas a couple of guys doesn't.


That's not always true, and in any event yaoi isn't entirely unpopular with women. It seems to me that the more pertinent consideration is an atavistic primate social instinct that equates penetration with social hierarchy. A man who is penetrated is ceding dominance to the penetrator, and therefore become less respectable and more feminine. It violates the instinctive rules of masculinity.

Understand, I'm not saying I agree with that - I think it's an idiotic attitude more suited to gorillas than to humans. But there are a lot of humans out there who have a little too much in common with gorillas, frankly.

bald_eagle said:

ASSH0LE said:
We're disturbed (and perhaps a bit jealous) that two individuals who always want sex have one another to always get it from.

Always? Man, I hate to disillusion you, but ...


Uh, yes. Always. That's what gay cruising is all about.

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

SEP 01, 2007 02:32 PM

Zarth said:
Uh, yes. Always. That's what gay cruising is all about.


I thought this was:

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

SEP 01, 2007 02:34 PM

Damn, Zarth, you've encapsulated my thoughts exactly. Even down to considerations of mating apes!

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

SEP 01, 2007 02:48 PM

bald_eagle said:
I was addressing the general societal mentality with regard to what seems or doesn't seem sexy. There are always exceptions.


The "general societal mentality" with regard to what seems sexy is largely defined by what seems sexy to heterosexual men.

bald_eagle said:
Anonymous heterosexual contact is more prevalent than that, I think. Spring break, bars ...


I was taking that into account. It's still nothing approaching the same level. Seriously.

I mean, I don't want to give you the impression that all gay men are into the cruising scene. I'm not even sure a majority are (I'd have to check figures and get back to you). But within that scene, sexual activity is far, far more anonymous and constant than in any comparable straight scene - again, that doesn't involve some kind of exchange of money.

And cruising - or paying - is definitely favored by the closet cases, because it means they can keep their sexuality securely walled off from the rest of their lives.

bald_eagle said:
And I thought perhaps the two-people-always thing was meant to refer to married folks. That's why I was suggesting inaccuracy.


Oh. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it refers to the gay cruising scene.

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

SEP 01, 2007 03:51 PM

bald_eagle said:
Ah. I know even less about that than I do marriage.


Look me up next time you're in Seattle.

PHB

PHB

Chicago, IL
May 2007

SEP 02, 2007 09:42 AM

NYTimes has a good article/column on "America's Toe-Tapping Menace" - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/02/opinion/02macdonald.html?th&emc=th

I like the sentiment it ends on:
"And for our part, let's stop being so surprised when we discover that our public figures have their own complex sex lives, and start being more suspicious when they self-righteously denounce the sex lives of others."

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

SEP 02, 2007 04:53 PM

PHB said:
NYTimes has a good article/column on "America's Toe-Tapping Menace" - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/02/opinion/02macdonald.html?th&emc=th

I like the sentiment it ends on:
"And for our part, let's stop being so surprised when we discover that our public figures have their own complex sex lives, and start being more suspicious when they self-righteously denounce the sex lives of others."



Thanks for posting that article; very interesting, and this quote

The more a man had to lose by having a secret life, the more he acquired the trappings of respectability


says a lot.

SaRawr

SaRawr

I'm lost
May 2007

OCT 09, 2007 03:03 AM



Kind of an old article, but this made me laugh.

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