kamagurka said:
I'm already sharpening my greataxe, because there's no way in Hell or High Waters that they won't fuck up Watchmen.
BTW, I agree that it would work awesomely as a mini-series on cable. You know what else would rock my rocks off as a mini-series? Trans-fucking-metropolitan. Back me up, yo.
Out of touch with the RPG experience and the genre.
Of course, we keep going to this stuff, though. We will go and see the crap, because we hope it will not suck. The it does and we bitch, and the viral frenzy occurs as everyone goes to see it. Geekery likes to observe hollywood crap like people on a freeway like to observe car wrecks. We slow down and stare.
And then we spend $$$. And the Harvard school of business guy gets to say, "Look, the movie made money. Who cares what a few geeks say in a chat room."
Real power would come from boycott of the next three movies a studio makes if it mishandles our material.
Avengers Assemble!
I know return you to Wil's regularly scheduled rant.
Shell_Shock said:
These "Hollywood fucks" are not just screwing up the genres which traditionally cater to nerds. By the end of this decade, these imbeciles will have pretty much ruined a nonchalant stroll through any given section of a store where one may go to rent or buy DVDs (save the silver screen classic section, but they'll fuck that up soon enough, I'm sure.) Is it just me or is the art of motion picture making getting totally lost in the name of feeding the almighty corporate machine? I cannot watch the crap they have been shoveling lately.
ardour said:
I wasn't really happy with the V movie, but I will admit it could have been so much worse. I can't even imagine how badly they're going to fuck up Watchmen.
To be honest, I thought V was excellent. I suppose if I had read the graphic novel I would have a different opinion, but it's okay to like something without rationalization. The pacing was excellent, the cinematography was excellent, even the costuming and characterization. I especially enjoyed the symbolism between V and Evie, especially in the split-scene symbolizing baptism in fire/water.
Sometimes you have to take the thing on its own merits, rather than worrying about how different it is from the work it's based on.
Well, to be honest, I saw the film before I read the comics, and I do think that the story presented in the comics is superior to the film (I'm not going to get into the discarding of what could be called "postmodern" themes for Marxist ones).
And none of this is about "rationalization." When I see a film based on a comic I grew up reading, say, almost any of the Marvel adaptations, I pick the fucker apart. Why? Probably because after having read those things for many years, I'm subject to a rather irrational obsession.
Make no mistake about it, Watchmen will get fucked-up and will be a disaster. What pisses me off about the continual raping of solid source material is the people who aren't geeks and who don't read comics and are generally unfamiliar with geekdom in general see these failed movies and say to themselves "What is so special about that? That Sucked!"
So many possible comments at the tip of my fngers now that sparks are starting to dance across my fingerprints! Thats the sign of a great article...
To be truthful, its not just knobs from Harvard that aim to piss us off as they try to entertain the masses; some do come from other snooty tie-wearing education institutions too! Gene Simmons once said, "You just have to be crazy to be in the institution."
As background info, I am a older (47) pre-geek who watched first run TOS Trek with wide open eyes and a shit ass grin in his preteens, who used a slide rule in school, who owned a Atari 400! Since the release of the IBM PCs, and Macintosh in the early 80's has been selling Computers for over 20 years.
It is good to see that the newest generation of over intelligent, fun loving, SF and Fantasy loving, "never going to grow up" counter culturalists who embrace geekdom are still... Hrm keeping it real...
I'm just pissed that all the big Cons are in the US!
Now, it's not entirely Hollywood's fault. It's not that they don't want to understand us, it's that they're incapable of understanding us. A studio fuck who wants to bury his face in a mountain of blow while two whores he picked up at the Rainbow Room spit on each other
I'm guessing many geeks wouldn't have a problem with this...
doesn't live in the same world as a comic book geek who wants to bury his face in the collected works of Neil Gaiman while his girlfriend gets dressed up as slave girl Leia.
Ahhh. I see what you did there. Well played.
But you know Watchmen is going to suck. It can't not suck. This is a book where one of the simpler themes is about the interplay of predestination and free will. You're not going to make that appeal to a mass audience without gutting it. And, you have an ending that plays with both the liberal leaning anti-nationalism, can't-we-all-just-get-along attitude with a paternalistic, lie-to-them-for-their-own-good attitude. In today's climate, you can't really explore either of those sides without pissing someone off, let alone try to combine them. Make it loyal to the source, and at some point audiences are going to expect some action or revelation that redeems everyone and when that doesn't happen, test audiences are going to shit themselves.
Lastly, what's up, Wil, why don't you ever make it out to Dragon-Con? It's called Southern hospitality, we'd treat you right.
lavenir said:
Why? Probably because after having read those things for many years, I'm subject to a rather irrational obsession.
...mmright.
I think this probably tells me exactly what I needed to hear. I'm sorry you're obsessed with fiction SO MUCH that a different version of said fiction threatens you.
wa11z said:
Make no mistake about it, Watchmen will get fucked-up and will be a disaster. What pisses me off about the continual raping of solid source material is the people who aren't geeks and who don't read comics and are generally unfamiliar with geekdom in general see these failed movies and say to themselves "What is so special about that? That Sucked!"
Or they'll rave about how great it was, not realizing why it sucked.
lavenir said:
Why? Probably because after having read those things for many years, I'm subject to a rather irrational obsession.
...mmright.
I think this probably tells me exactly what I needed to hear. I'm sorry you're obsessed with fiction SO MUCH that a different version of said fiction threatens you.
I might be insulted, if I knew what the fuck you were talking about.
Will, you my friend are the voice geeks everywhere wish we had. You say everything we think, everything we want to say and you come correct. Great article.
malkav11
Saint Paul, MN
July 2003
AUG 02, 2007 03:09 AM