Do you honestly believe that?

Cause if so, I could introduce you to some queer hatin good old boys I went to school with. I'm sure they would agree with you

"the disdain and mockery they deserve"

Totally subjective. The analogy still fits

mingol

Singapore

July 2005

JUL 31, 2007 03:03 PM

DrStinkypants said:

mingol said:

DrStinkypants said:

Uncognitive said:
Treating certain viewpoints with the disdain and mockery they deserve can be quite productive, if you ask me.

Do you honestly believe that?

Cause if so, I could introduce you to some queer hatin good old boys I went to school with. I'm sure they would agree with you

"the disdain and mockery they deserve"

Totally subjective. The analogy still fits

Totally subjective?

eGore

Dallas, TX

July 2004

JUL 31, 2007 03:03 PM

Thank you. Better way of making the point than I could have. What they deserve is subjective.

zarth

Seattle, WA

December 2004

JUL 31, 2007 03:03 PM

Again, this is so full of muddle-headed incomprehension and profoundly flawed assumptions that I scarcely know where to begin.

eGore said:
Okay, FearTheReaper said that "eGore, you should know that a common and pathetic tactic on message boards is to be a conservative and pretend you used to be liberal. Or vise versa. That way you can make it seem like your criticisms are legitimate, when it is actually fiction. It's obvious this is who you are. Entirely full of bullshit."

First of all, you don't know anything about me. I lost faith in both parties over my years on this planet. So don't try to pigeon hole me. I hold a lot of dislike for both parties. However, what I see day after day on these boards are one side blasting the other. I would see the same shit if I were on a conservative web site, and I would have issue with it there too. However, you're comment that if I were a conservative, then my criticisms would be fiction, makes me laugh hysterically. Does that mean that since you are a liberal, your criticisms of the conservatives is also fiction? If bias makes ones opinions fictitious, then you my friend, are also unable to speak the truth.

He was doubting your honesty in claiming to be a "former liberal." A false claim to objectivity is what would make your opinion bullshit, not bias itself.

eGore said:
You talk a lot about my generalizations, but your article is full of comments regarding "Republicans" as a generalization, as if all Republicans think alike. I know many Republicans and Democrats, and no two of them think exactly alike. You also make a generalization that retiring politicians tend to tell the truth simply because on retiring Republican backs your claims. Do you extend the same to Zell Miller, the Democratic senator, who upon retiring, blasted the Democratic party to no end? Or is that an example of one retiring politician who still lies, because he doesn't back your beliefs?

Are you seriously claiming that other people's generalization's let you off the hook for making your own? Because if you are, that lets an awful lot of other people off the hook, too, including everyone you're generalizing about. Funny how that works, huh?

eGore said:
Once and for all, because I actually have other things to do than sit here all day, my main argument was that peaceful dissent and disagreement are healthy. To discuss hot topics like abortion rights and gay rights is a stepping stone to progress. To say that you hate someone because they disagree with your viewpoint, is counter productive.

People were saying they hated Tony Snow because he's a lying whore, which he would be regardless of whether they disagreed with him. I mean, that's practically a matter of public record.

eGore said:
More so, we need to stop listening to the fringes that make up both sides of the spectrum, as they do nothing more than tear us apart.

If saying that "Tony Snow is a lying whore" is your idea of a fringe position, you appear to have lost either your senses or your moral compass. A fringe position would be, "Let's kill all the capitalists and take their stuff."

There's an enormous gulf between those two statements. If you really can't see that, I despair of you entirely.

eGore said:
Democrats are not all good, and Republicans are not all bad.

Lovely strawman you're building there. Nobody said that. Anywhere.

The rest of that paragraph is incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial.

eGore said:
Let's stop being hypocrites when it comes to our politicians and put them all in their places when they do things to deserve it. It's an atrocity that Byrd, a former Klansman, is still sitting in the Senate. If he were a Republican, he'd have been gone years ago. But since he's a Democrat, we let him get a pass.

Right. That's the only reason. Because he's a Democrat.

Maybe it's actually because, unlike David Duke he regrets his association with the KKK and has a 100% approval rating from the NAACP. Or maybe it's just because, unlike David Duke, he hasn't been convicted of tax evasion.

Your analysis fails to be supported by the facts.

eGore said:
We let Clinton get away with allowing a young woman to take the brunt of his sexist actions, just because he's a liberal and publicly "claims" to be for women's rights.

Again, that had exactly nothing to do with Clinton's ideology and everything to do with the affair's complete irrelevancy to the business of government.

And if getting a blowjob is "sexist," then I guess I'm not really a feminist either.

And if you are, I pity you.

eGore said:
We need to get the money out of the hands of politicians if we are ever to see real change. And that goes for big business, religious affiliations, AND groups like MoveOn and others that are backed by big money players who want their say so in our system. All of these entities corrupt our politicians.

Your "fairness" doctrine is profoundly flawed. The policies advocated by various groups really do make a difference

eGore said:
And just to clear things up before I go. I'm not an ignorant person who thinks that being gay is a choice. But being gay is no more a part of someone's "wholeness" as being conservative or liberal, or middle of the road, if that's what you are. There are a lot of factors that make up who we are, some are social and environmental, and some are biological. But they all are important pieces of who we are.

That doesn't clarify anything. "Wholeness"? And you still haven't haven't explained what you mean by allowing people to be free to "disagree" with homosexuality.

eGore said:
I do think that a lot of the opinions I see on here are stupid, but I respect your right to have them, as long as they don't lead to violence.

Why, another pretty strawman.

Nobody here is advocating interfering with anyone's right to be stupid. Don't worry, you're safe.

eGore said:
And yes...liberals can be violent people too. I could cite a long list of violent leftists, starting with Stalin and continuing through the people that smash SUVs today.

You hear that, liberals? Keying an SUV is just as violent as putting a bullet in the brain of a counterrevolutionary or an objective class enemy. Even thinking about it is probably just as bad.

eGore said:
We all have a right to our opinions, no matter how stupid someone else may think they are. Unless you guys want to start putting together a "Thought Police Squad" just to make sure we all live up to your higher standards.

Let's face it. Towelly's comment about open mindedness sums up the new liberal stance. If someone says anything that YOU think is stupid, then judging them is righteous. So you think that everyone should believe exactly as you do? Sounds a lot like Jerry Falwell to me.

More strawmen. Jesus, they're coming legions, now.

No-one has suggested that an idiot isn't free to be an idiot. Like I say, you're safe.

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JUL 31, 2007 03:08 PM

eGore said:
First of all, you don't know anything about me. I lost faith in both parties over my years on this planet. So don't try to pigeon hole me. I hold a lot of dislike for both parties. However, what I see day after day on these boards are one side blasting the other. I would see the same shit if I were on a conservative web site, and I would have issue with it there too. However, you're comment that if I were a conservative, then my criticisms would be fiction, makes me laugh hysterically. Does that mean that since you are a liberal, your criticisms of the conservatives is also fiction? If bias makes ones opinions fictitious, then you my friend, are also unable to speak the truth.

No, it means if I started by saying "I used to be a conservative" and here's what is wrong with Conservatives that you are full of shit. Nohting more nothing less.

Miller started bashing the Dems before he retired. Try again.

I was speaking of specific Republicans in this article. That is why I used their names.

zarth

Seattle, WA

December 2004

JUL 31, 2007 03:09 PM

DrStinkypants said:

mingol said:

DrStinkypants said:

Uncognitive said:
Treating certain viewpoints with the disdain and mockery they deserve can be quite productive, if you ask me.

Do you honestly believe that?

Cause if so, I could introduce you to some queer hatin good old boys I went to school with. I'm sure they would agree with you

"the disdain and mockery they deserve"

Totally subjective. The analogy still fits

Only if you're a relativist. I'm a neo-utilitarian pragmatist - so screw you, man.