shamrock6996 said:
I understand why people in this country are a little fed up with this war but we cant pull out now and leave the job unfinished. Im not some out spoken person who has no clue what hes talking about. im somone who knows from personal experience the shit that goes on over there. Yes Bush has changed objectives for the war many times over and i know that pisses more than just the civilians off. but i know men and women who have died over there and seen them zipped up in black bags. but i refuse to believe it was for nothing. and if we leave this shit unfinished thats exactly what they died for. Nothing..
Then take solace in the fact that they got rid of Saddam. You know, the original plan. The reason we went in. We did not go in to set up democracy. We invaded to take out a dictator. Job done.
I understand that. But im just tired of ppl taking it out on us. we didnt make the choice to add on orders we just do our job and follow them. i know hundreds of men and women who want it to be over and done with that are serving over there currently. my brother included and me again sooner than later..i just want ppl to understand the soldiers may not want to be there but we understand we have a job to do. thats all im not trying to start arguments with ppl on here.
shamrock6996 said:
I understand why people in this country are a little fed up with this war but we cant pull out now and leave the job unfinished. Im not some out spoken person who has no clue what hes talking about. im somone who knows from personal experience the shit that goes on over there. Yes Bush has changed objectives for the war many times over and i know that pisses more than just the civilians off. but i know men and women who have died over there and seen them zipped up in black bags. but i refuse to believe it was for nothing. and if we leave this shit unfinished thats exactly what they died for. Nothing..
Then take solace in the fact that they got rid of Saddam. You know, the original plan. The reason we went in. We did not go in to set up democracy. We invaded to take out a dictator. Job done.
I understand that. But im just tired of ppl taking it out on us. we didnt make the choice to add on orders we just do our job and follow them. i know hundreds of men and women who want it to be over and done with that are serving over there currently. my brother included and me again sooner than later..i just want ppl to understand the soldiers may not want to be there but we understand we have a job to do. thats all im not trying to start arguments with ppl on here.
I'm wondering what you meant about "people taking it out on [soliders]", or at least, thats what I'm assuming you meant. Speaking as a OEF/OIF veteran, I don't believe there is really any movement or group that is pointing any finger of blame at military members as whole, especially the lower ranking and enlisted guys. If anything, I think that maybe you're gathering this sense of anti-solider sentiment from right wing slogans like "Support our Troops" that were designed (using quite modern marketing tactics) to quiet dissent.
Brutality honest opinion here. Let's just say our intentions are perfectly noble now to bring peace and stability to Iraq. How can we really expect that to take place when the foundation of this whole Iraq adventure is built upon the lie we used to invade Iraq in the first place. We're stuck with an administration that refuses to take accountability for the lie that was WMDs in Iraq and that they were a immediate threat to us. The whole administration should have resigned long ago in disgrace. The Bush Administration and the neocon foreign policy has failed us, failed Iraq, and failed the world. And now they are claiming they are the only ones that can fix it.
Would you even let somebody work on your car like that?
It's a shitty situation for American Soldiers to be in. Believe me, I have a close family member is Baghdad right now. But I'm doing him or anybody a service by self-delusion into accepting a lie.
shamrock6996 said:
I understand why people in this country are a little fed up with this war but we cant pull out now and leave the job unfinished. Im not some out spoken person who has no clue what hes talking about. im somone who knows from personal experience the shit that goes on over there. Yes Bush has changed objectives for the war many times over and i know that pisses more than just the civilians off. but i know men and women who have died over there and seen them zipped up in black bags. but i refuse to believe it was for nothing. and if we leave this shit unfinished thats exactly what they died for. Nothing..
Then take solace in the fact that they got rid of Saddam. You know, the original plan. The reason we went in. We did not go in to set up democracy. We invaded to take out a dictator. Job done.
I understand that. But im just tired of ppl taking it out on us. we didnt make the choice to add on orders we just do our job and follow them. i know hundreds of men and women who want it to be over and done with that are serving over there currently. my brother included and me again sooner than later..i just want ppl to understand the soldiers may not want to be there but we understand we have a job to do. thats all im not trying to start arguments with ppl on here.
I can almost promise you that you will not find anti-troops sentiment here.
Anti-government, anti-partisan, anti-Bush/Gonzo/Rove/Cheney/entire administration, but not any anti-troop.
If anything, the people here are your biggest supporters because they want to question the government that gives you orders, they fully use the rights to free thought and free speech that you serve for, instead of blindly swallowing misinformation and outright lies from the government.
Wouldn't you rather fight for a nation of independent thinkers than a nation of sheep who never question authority and the possible abuse of it?
My husband will proudly tell you that he serves for people's right to say stupid shit, even if it makes him want to shoot them at the same time.
I don't know you personally, but I hope that you serve our country with honor and dignity, and make it out of this mess ok.
Nabil said: PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANT TO KNOW IS THAT AL-QAEDA IS A NAME COINED BY THE BUSH ADMIN.
IT DOESN'T REALLY EVEN MEAN ANYTHING IN ARABIC.
SO IN EFFECT THEY DON'T EVEN EXIST.
And on a personal note: my family get shit because before me they were all born in Iraq on my father's side, yet my Grandfather received the MBE (Member of the British Empire) for his services to Britain. It's all bollocks and the system is fucked.
Perhaps I need to go back and check on this, but doesn't that phrase translate to "the base"? Just wondering......
Nabil said:
PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANT TO KNOW IS THAT AL-QAEDA IS A NAME COINED BY THE BUSH ADMIN.
IT DOESN'T REALLY EVEN MEAN ANYTHING IN ARABIC.
SO IN EFFECT THEY DON'T EVEN EXIST.
And on a personal note: my family get shit because before me they were all born in Iraq on my father's side, yet my Grandfather received the MBE (Member of the British Empire) for his services to Britain. It's all bollocks and the system is fucked.
Perhaps I need to go back and check on this, but doesn't that phrase translate to "the base"? Just wondering......
Indeed it does, but the term as it was originally applied really only applied to the one training base the Mudjahadeen used during the Soviet occupation.
The name 'al-Qaeda' was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al-Qaeda. The name stayed.
This quote appears to be Osama bin Laden's own words. linky
The term is now usually considered a catchall, used to refer to anybody the administration doesn't like, especially brown people in other countries.
Of course, even in these sources of information, there are disagreements as to what al-Qaeda is and how it was really formed, if it does in fact (still) exist. My advice would be to research it yourself, because just taking someone's word for such a hot topic is pretty silly. Everybody's opinion is different.
Dogslife said:
Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.
Eurasia is too hard to hold. there's just too many dotted lines going to other continents and too many border countries. you can almost hold Australia and them islands the entire game, if you get all of them. South American was nearly as good, but they changed that in the newer versions.
shamrock6996
Belpre, OH
May 2007
JUL 26, 2007 07:28 PM