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FRED

FRED

San Diego, CA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 21, 2007 12:41 PM

my favorite news blog thing here

aldoushuxley

aldoushuxley

USA
November 2005

JUL 21, 2007 12:45 PM

Just a question about the insurgent police man swap. Was it a mistake or mix up, or was it premeditated murder. To me this makes all the difference on his charge, what it looks like to me is a man slaughter sentence and fifteen years time is sufficient for man slaughter but if it was not man slaughter I say give him the death penalty I do not agree with murderers nor do I agree with keeping them alive.

alpha22

alpha22

Scottsdale, AZ
May 2005

JUL 21, 2007 12:54 PM

aldoushuxley said:
Just a question about the insurgent police man swap. Was it a mistake or mix up, or was it premeditated murder. To me this makes all the difference on his charge, what it looks like to me is a man slaughter sentence and fifteen years time is sufficient for man slaughter but if it was not man slaughter I say give him the death penalty I do not agree with murderers nor do I agree with keeping them alive.



He wasn't given 15 years that was the recommendation.He got dishonorable discharge and they busted him down to e-1. I don't think he pulled the trigger. At least thats what i read . He was just there and didn't stop it.He's just the first out of the 7 (i think he is the lowest ranked out of the 7)

Lucy

Lucy

SUICIDEGIRL

Yemen

JUL 21, 2007 12:54 PM

FearTheReaper said:

"Everybody at one point in their life has had inclination towards the opposite sex...but just because you have inclination doesn't mean you're gay. You suppress those feelings and you pray to god...I am NOT GAY."



I've got a Canadian ten dollar bill that says that the next time we see Mister"Totally Not Gay" on the internet, it'll be in a leaked Clay Aiken sex tape. Any takers?

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 21, 2007 01:15 PM

I saw the FEMA trailer thing on CSPAN this morning, and I figured that it would be enough of a non-covered issue that I could write up a news article of my own on it.

Sigh.

mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

JUL 21, 2007 02:23 PM

Lucy said:

FearTheReaper said:
"Everybody at one point in their life has had inclination towards the opposite sex...but just because you have inclination doesn't mean you're gay. You suppress those feelings and you pray to god...I am NOT GAY."


I've got a Canadian ten dollar bill that says that the next time we see Mister"Totally Not Gay" on the internet, it'll be in a leaked Clay Aiken sex tape. Any takers?



No. biggrin

I must admit, I found that bit to be the funniest in the whole video. I've never had any inclination towards the same sex; when I was in college I actually spent time sitting around thinking about being gay to see whether or not I might be, and had to conclude after much consideration that I simply wasn't. What urges is that guy suppressing?

aricvg

aricvg

Bonita, CA
August 2005

JUL 21, 2007 04:47 PM

As I remember it according to the UCMJ you must obey LAWFUL orders and it is your duty to disobey UNLAWFUL orders. SO even if ordered but the solider finds the order morally disturbing he does not have to obey the order and should report the order the the next in the chain of command. Thats I what I learned in boot camp maybe they don't teach that anymore? or they changed the UCMJ? I dunno but it was made pretty clear to everybody I graduated with.

Skywisdom

Skywisdom

Portland, OR
December 2005

JUL 21, 2007 05:12 PM

Lucy said:

FearTheReaper said:

"Everybody at one point in their life has had inclination towards the opposite sex...but just because you have inclination doesn't mean you're gay. You suppress those feelings and you pray to god...I am NOT GAY."



I've got a Canadian ten dollar bill that says that the next time we see Mister"Totally Not Gay" on the internet, it'll be in a leaked Clay Aiken sex tape. Any takers?



I love you. Just saying.

Hunkpapa

Hunkpapa

United Kingdom
June 2004

JUL 21, 2007 05:39 PM

Rin said:

FearTheReaper said:

varukasalt said:

Rin said:
about the soldier only getting 15 years and a bad conduct discharge:

it's not like getting fired from a job. it stays on your record permanently and makes it difficult to get jobs in the future. after all, lots of companies do background checks; someone with a dishonourable discharge probably won't be on their top hiring list.

even volunteer organisations sometimes do background checks, so even if he was trying with all the goodness of his heart to help someone else by donating his time, he could be blocked.

i'm not condoning his actions or light sentencing but just trying to provide a bit of illumination on the case.


I'm sure the innocent guy he murdered will have a tough time finding a job too. Oh, wait....



That clarification should also help feed his 11 children.



i am not condoning his actions! i am just saying that it's not like he is JUST getting 15 years of prison. repurcussions will follow him for the rest of his life.



He isn't JUST getting 15 years of prison - he isn't getting any prison time at all, which seems to be why the jury are in this AFR to begin with.

It doesn't really make much sense to me how they can reach that decision after deciding he's guilty of kidnapping and conspiring to murder. I know the CNN article says that there's no minimum sentencing requirement for the things he's been found guilty of, but still...

ASSH0LE

ASSH0LE

Las Vegas, NV
June 2003

JUL 21, 2007 06:06 PM

Rin said:
i am not condoning his actions! i am just saying that it's not like he is JUST getting 15 years of prison. repurcussions will follow him for the rest of his life.



He's not getting ANY prison, actually. 15 years prison is what the prosecutor suggested.

Targeted

Targeted

Willsboro, NY
June 2006

JUL 21, 2007 06:07 PM

alpha22 said:

aldoushuxley said:
Just a question about the insurgent police man swap. Was it a mistake or mix up, or was it premeditated murder. To me this makes all the difference on his charge, what it looks like to me is a man slaughter sentence and fifteen years time is sufficient for man slaughter but if it was not man slaughter I say give him the death penalty I do not agree with murderers nor do I agree with keeping them alive.



He wasn't given 15 years that was the recommendation.He got dishonorable discharge and they busted him down to e-1. I don't think he pulled the trigger. At least thats what i read . He was just there and didn't stop it.He's just the first out of the 7 (i think he is the lowest ranked out of the 7)



Not to nitpick, but I don't think you can get a dishonorable discharge and still serve, hence the "discharge".

ASSH0LE

ASSH0LE

Las Vegas, NV
June 2003

JUL 21, 2007 06:10 PM

Lucy said:
I've got a Canadian ten dollar bill that says that the next time we see Mister"Totally Not Gay" on the internet, it'll be in a leaked Clay Aiken sex tape. Any takers?



A Canadian $10 bill? I mean, what's that worth? *Checks exchange rate* Oh wait, never mind! wink

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

JUL 21, 2007 06:35 PM

alpha22 said:

Rin said:
about the soldier only getting 15 years and a bad conduct discharge:

it's not like getting fired from a job. it stays on your record permanently and makes it difficult to get jobs in the future. after all, lots of companies do background checks; someone with a dishonourable discharge probably won't be on their top hiring list.

even volunteer organisations sometimes do background checks, so even if he was trying with all the goodness of his heart to help someone else by donating his time, he could be blocked.

i'm not condoning his actions or light sentencing but just trying to provide a bit of illumination on the case.



He was a good marine who served 3 tours and was awarded a purple heart.Then he followed orders from a fucked up squad leader. Now everyone in that squad is fucked for not disobeying that order.



Ummm, the "order" was to drag an unarmed man out of his house in the middle of the night march him to a ditch and shoot him.

I'm sorry, but if you don't know that's more or less the epitome of dishonorable, much less, a fucking war crime there's not much hope for you.

ferrofluid

ferrofluid

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

JUL 21, 2007 07:27 PM

"gay" is the "medical condition" that keeps them from joining the military?

chikinhammr

chikinhammr

Orlando, FL
April 2006

JUL 22, 2007 12:22 AM

Where can I get some Fear The Reaper ski boots?

darwinsjoke

darwinsjoke

Virginia Beach, VA
July 2003

JUL 22, 2007 12:37 AM

reprobate said:

alpha22 said:

Rin said:
about the soldier only getting 15 years and a bad conduct discharge:

it's not like getting fired from a job. it stays on your record permanently and makes it difficult to get jobs in the future. after all, lots of companies do background checks; someone with a dishonourable discharge probably won't be on their top hiring list.

even volunteer organisations sometimes do background checks, so even if he was trying with all the goodness of his heart to help someone else by donating his time, he could be blocked.

i'm not condoning his actions or light sentencing but just trying to provide a bit of illumination on the case.



He was a good marine who served 3 tours and was awarded a purple heart.Then he followed orders from a fucked up squad leader. Now everyone in that squad is fucked for not disobeying that order.



Ummm, the "order" was to drag an unarmed man out of his house in the middle of the night march him to a ditch and shoot him.

I'm sorry, but if you don't know that's more or less the epitome of dishonorable, much less, a fucking war crime there's not much hope for you.



Apparently he's not familiar with our obligation to disobey an illegal order, which that order clearly was.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JUL 22, 2007 12:46 AM

chikinhammr said:
Where can I get some Fear The Reaper ski boots?



I think your more about the FearTheReaper gun holster.

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Baton Rouge, LA
January 2006

JUL 22, 2007 01:10 AM

Rin said:

i am not condoning his actions! i am just saying that it's not like he is JUST getting 15 years of prison. repurcussions will follow him for the rest of his life.



Actually, he isn't getting any prison time. That was just the recomendation of the prosecutors, which was not followed.

From the linked article:


...a jury decided against giving him any prison time for kidnapping and conspiring to murder.



EDIT: Oops, ASSH0LE beat me to the punch. blush

scorp17yh

scorp17yh

Brookings, OR
November 2004

JUL 22, 2007 08:34 AM

Rin said:
about the soldier only getting 15 years and a bad conduct discharge:

it's not like getting fired from a job. it stays on your record permanently and makes it difficult to get jobs in the future. after all, lots of companies do background checks; someone with a dishonourable discharge probably won't be on their top hiring list.

even volunteer organisations sometimes do background checks, so even if he was trying with all the goodness of his heart to help someone else by donating his time, he could be blocked.

i'm not condoning his actions or light sentencing but just trying to provide a bit of illumination on the case.



first off he got 15 months, which is time already served.
second perhaps Scooter LIbby and this poor soldier can start a company together and cry in their beer

This should really help;


A military jury on Friday spared a Marine of prison time for kidnapping and conspiring to murder an Iraqi man who was killed as troops hunted in vain for a suspected insurgent.


Cpl. Trent Thomas was sentenced to a bad-conduct discharge and reduced pay.


A jury of three officers and six enlisted Marines deliberated for less than an hour before returning their decision.


Thomas, a 25-year-old father of two, faced a maximum sentence of life in prison without parole. He was convicted Wednesday of kidnapping and conspiracy to murder an Iraqi man after a botched attempt to capture a suspected insurgent in the village of Hamdania in April 2006.


Thomas was acquitted of the most serious charge of premeditated murder, which would have carried a mandatory life sentence, and of lesser offenses including making a false official statement, housebreaking and larceny.


Prosecutors had recommended Thomas be sentenced to 15 years in prison with a dishonorable discharge, reduction in pay and forfeiture.


"Corporal Thomas is going back to the brig where he spent the last 15 months, collecting his things and then going home with his wife," said Victor Kelley, one of his attorneys.


http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/07/20/state/n094948D36.DTL&tsp=1






geo35

geo35

Minneapolis, MN
January 2003

JUL 22, 2007 11:02 AM

Lucy said:

FearTheReaper said:

"Everybody at one point in their life has had inclination towards the opposite sex...but just because you have inclination doesn't mean you're gay. You suppress those feelings and you pray to god...I am NOT GAY."



I've got a Canadian ten dollar bill that says that the next time we see Mister"Totally Not Gay" on the internet, it'll be in a leaked Clay Aiken sex tape. Any takers?



No bets here. That "officially not gay" guy was obviously a seriously fucked up dude.

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 22, 2007 11:04 AM

FearTheReaper said:

chikinhammr said:
Where can I get some Fear The Reaper ski boots?



I think your more about the FearTheReaper gun holster.



FearTheReaper mud flaps.

thisdistance

thisdistance

Steubenville, OH
June 2007

AUG 03, 2007 01:27 AM

I really liked that video

and that dude was totally gay. tongue

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