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Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

JUL 24, 2007 05:16 AM

curtisdead said:

Snafu013 said:
they don't give a rats ass about the cause, they are using the cause as justification to be an asshole, and truthfully, they are hurting the reputation of the people who actually are involved and are educated enough to not resort to the tactics of high school kids.



Hm. For the most part, I have to disagree with this. For some people, SOME people, there is a war going on. It's part class-war, part eco-war and part militaristic philosophy war. Hummer owners, by their own wallets are saying this:

fuck the poor
fuck the environment
viva el military

Hummer owners are putting their trust in the opposers of these philosophies that they won't strike out against them.

It's like that british car show that drove their cars through Arkansas with slogans like "I hate Nascar" & "I love gay men".
Those drivers immediately had trouble and had to hastily wash the offending words off the cars.

I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying it's expected.






If vandalism is expected, then said vandals should expect one day to show up at a hummer at the wrong time and get their fucking heads blown clean off. Doing stupid shit like this it's only a matter of time before they either murder someone for the cause or are in the wrong place at the wrong time and get killed by an angry car owner.

emperorreagan

emperorreagan

Baltimore, MD
January 2004

JUL 24, 2007 08:02 AM

SmellsLikeSciFi said:
Has anyone mentioned or THOUGHT OF (to the wanna-be H2 rationalists) the literal impact of an H2 accidentally running a red light at 40 mph (or FASTER!) and hitting a lower-in-height (and more socially, economically, and environmentally conscious) car, truck, motorcycle or god forbid scooter or bicyclist (skateboarder/pedestrian/old lady/woman with a baby carriage, etc.) with the right of way???

The bigger, taller and heavier the automakers have made cars in the past 15 years the higher and higher other cars and trucks and SUV's need to be just to be remotely safe in ANY collision, much less a head-on or T collision; jeebus help those poor people.

It's a self-perpetuating cycle that NEEDS TO STOP!



According to studies from the University of Washington and University of Virginia, vehicles in the light truck category - SUVs, pickups, and vans - are 3.4 times more likely to kill a pedestrian as compared to a typical car and 3 times more likely to cause serious injury if the pedestrian manages to live through the accident. I've seen fatality and serious injury numbers for car-SUV accidents somewhere before, too, and they were similarly high.

Anyway you shake it, a vehicle like an H2 has enormous costs to our society, with increased injury and fatality rates, increasing costs in road maintenance due to much higher GVW, and the whole horribly inefficient with respect to energy consumption issue.

Anyway, the auto industry's own marketing reports characterize SUV drivers as "insecure and vain" and "self-centered and self-absorbed." So there you go, that's why people buy SUVs.

While vandalism can be amusing and fun as long as you don't get caught, it's not generally very effective in advancing any sort of agenda.

Personally, I'd like to see fuel efficiency standards raised and rewritten to close loopholes that prevent some of these monsters from avoiding being counted. I'd also like to see a much larger gas guzzler sin tax slapped on 'em - like upwards of 50% -, and large SUVs of course being subject to that tax as well. And of course the dreaded increase in gasoline tax...

dragonflower

dragonflower

Austin, TX
January 2007

JUL 24, 2007 06:38 PM

beat up, blown up, or at least shit in. i agree.
nice article. the video in the link is hillarious. this made my day.

thrash242

thrash242

Pearland, TX
September 2004

AUG 08, 2007 12:15 PM

Keri said:

Emokidsmileforme said:
When I hear stories about people vandalizing private prroperty because they do not agree with someones particular lifestyle is retarded. Meat eaters are now critiiczed for harming the environment and there is speculation that the habit may be just as harmful if not more harmful than driving SUV's. We are free to choose and we must have engagement with people to persuade them to see our side, not by force or coercion. Living in Texas I guess I am more sympathetic to SUV drivers and truck drivers compared to people. Most SUV drivers and truck drivers feel safer when they are on the road, they like being able to be see above other drivers, and the most common reason is that they have cargo to carry ( including children). They may all be solid points, but SUV's are not necessarily safer than cars. Yes in a head on collision you have to take the Hummer over the Camry, but what about roll overs, blown tires, poor acceleration entering and existing freeways, lack of mobility avoiding accidents. I know that these arguments will be more effective than just vandalizing private property. Plus that whole thing with the penis is the dumbest shit I ever heard and I understand its for shits and giggles, but some idiots actually buy into it



but what is the purpose of driving a fucking hummer? seriously? besides being an arrogant flashy asshole, what purpose does it serve? people drive hummers as some kind of "status" and nothing more. unless you're in the fucking military you don't need to drive one.



"Need" has nothing to do with it. If you want one and can afford it, you can buy it. There's a lot of things we don't "need" that we are perfectly free to buy and enjoy.

I find it sad that you have such hostility toward an inanimate object. They don't "stand" for anything they're vehicles. And if people didn't buy them, they wouldn't make them.

thrash242

thrash242

Pearland, TX
September 2004

AUG 08, 2007 12:17 PM

Colinism said:

curtisdead said:

Snafu013 said:
they don't give a rats ass about the cause, they are using the cause as justification to be an asshole, and truthfully, they are hurting the reputation of the people who actually are involved and are educated enough to not resort to the tactics of high school kids.



Hm. For the most part, I have to disagree with this. For some people, SOME people, there is a war going on. It's part class-war, part eco-war and part militaristic philosophy war. Hummer owners, by their own wallets are saying this:

fuck the poor
fuck the environment
viva el military

Hummer owners are putting their trust in the opposers of these philosophies that they won't strike out against them.

It's like that british car show that drove their cars through Arkansas with slogans like "I hate Nascar" & "I love gay men".
Those drivers immediately had trouble and had to hastily wash the offending words off the cars.

I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying it's expected.






If vandalism is expected, then said vandals should expect one day to show up at a hummer at the wrong time and get their fucking heads blown clean off. Doing stupid shit like this it's only a matter of time before they either murder someone for the cause or are in the wrong place at the wrong time and get killed by an angry car owner.



And I wouldn't feel sorry for them if this happened either. I don't care what kind of vehicle someone owns or how you feel about it, you have no right to go vandalizing it to make some "statement".

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

AUG 08, 2007 04:54 PM

thrash242 said: And if people didn't buy them, they wouldn't make them.



It's not that simple, is it. If they didn't make them (and advertise them at vast expense - now why would that be?), people wouldn't buy them.

Keri

Keri

SUICIDEGIRL

Virginia, USA

AUG 10, 2007 11:37 AM

thrash242 said:

Keri said:

Emokidsmileforme said:
When I hear stories about people vandalizing private prroperty because they do not agree with someones particular lifestyle is retarded. Meat eaters are now critiiczed for harming the environment and there is speculation that the habit may be just as harmful if not more harmful than driving SUV's. We are free to choose and we must have engagement with people to persuade them to see our side, not by force or coercion. Living in Texas I guess I am more sympathetic to SUV drivers and truck drivers compared to people. Most SUV drivers and truck drivers feel safer when they are on the road, they like being able to be see above other drivers, and the most common reason is that they have cargo to carry ( including children). They may all be solid points, but SUV's are not necessarily safer than cars. Yes in a head on collision you have to take the Hummer over the Camry, but what about roll overs, blown tires, poor acceleration entering and existing freeways, lack of mobility avoiding accidents. I know that these arguments will be more effective than just vandalizing private property. Plus that whole thing with the penis is the dumbest shit I ever heard and I understand its for shits and giggles, but some idiots actually buy into it



but what is the purpose of driving a fucking hummer? seriously? besides being an arrogant flashy asshole, what purpose does it serve? people drive hummers as some kind of "status" and nothing more. unless you're in the fucking military you don't need to drive one.



"Need" has nothing to do with it. If you want one and can afford it, you can buy it. There's a lot of things we don't "need" that we are perfectly free to buy and enjoy.

I find it sad that you have such hostility toward an inanimate object. They don't "stand" for anything they're vehicles. And if people didn't buy them, they wouldn't make them.



i don't have hostility towards the vehicles. the people who drive them on the other hand....well actually i dont have any hostility really just a lack of respect . i just don't understand the purpose of buying or driving a hummer. it's as simple as that. .can you give me one GOOD reason to drive a hummer....one that doesn't include the fact that someone has the money to do so?

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

AUG 10, 2007 06:33 PM



can you give me one GOOD reason to drive a hummer....one that doesn't include the fact that someone has the money to do so?



There's no good reason to drive a hummer or most anything beyond eating and sleeping and sex except that we like to do it, and it makes us happy. Everyone does different things to make themselves happy, except the main demographic on this website is predominantly young people with no money.

My coworkers all drive Lexuses, Porche Cayennes, BMW M-Series cars that get similar mileage to a hummer H2, and nobody really messes with them or beats up their cars. Maybe it's because despite being wasteful, they have taste?



It's not that simple, is it. If they didn't make them (and advertise them at vast expense - now why would that be?), people wouldn't buy them.



So the best way to affect change is to remove all other options?

What about making owners of Hummer H2s pay more to offset the impact of their driving? Maybe if there was some sort of tax levied on every gallon of petrol, it would discourage high consumption and penalize higher utilization? Surely, such an idea would be unheard of.

Clidna

Clidna

Canada
January 2005

AUG 10, 2007 08:45 PM

Aww... the first 10 pages or so had me laughing my ass off... but by the end we got all serious again frown

Keri

Keri

SUICIDEGIRL

Virginia, USA

AUG 11, 2007 09:04 AM

freshprncebelair said:

[My coworkers all drive Lexuses, Porche Cayennes, BMW M-Series cars that get similar mileage to a hummer H2, and nobody really messes with them or beats up their cars. Maybe it's because despite being wasteful, they have taste?



actually i know a lot of people who would beat their windows out.i def dont condone ruining someones property, but i understand why they're angry.i think the same way about these cars as i do about hummers. well except it's a little easier to miss running over people in a normal sized car. you said people drive it to be happy (in the same way that people would buy a sweater or a beer to make themselves happy)...but to me the reason it makes people "happy" is the need to show off how much moolah they have. arrogance. why else would something like that make anyone "happy"? materialistic,harmful, garbage. that's all it is.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

AUG 11, 2007 04:12 PM

freshprncebelair said:


It's not that simple, is it. If they didn't make them (and advertise them at vast expense - now why would that be?), people wouldn't buy them.



So the best way to affect change is to remove all other options?



That's not what I said; go look at it again. Since it was evidently not immediately understandable:
What I said was that the car manufacturers are actively driving the market. They are not just "responding to demand", as thrash242 implied; they are deliberately creating particular types of demand.


What about making owners of Hummer H2s pay more to offset the impact of their driving? Maybe if there was some sort of tax levied on every gallon of petrol, it would discourage high consumption and penalize higher utilization? Surely, such an idea would be unheard of.



Works over here, at least to a certain extent. Fuel is still cheap enough that drivers let their cars idle when they could switch them off, so it can't be too much of a drag on the economy.

cyberfelix

cyberfelix

Los Angeles, CA
November 2006

AUG 11, 2007 04:41 PM

Fucking *yawn*.

I'm sorry. Was there a point?

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