Quarterback Michael Vick is a piece of shit

Seriously. If he is in fact guilty, then by all means, he's a fuckwad. But he hasn't even gone to trial yet.

-TM

I disagree. The NFL is not a public agency. It's a private enterprise with rules. They can suspend him as they see fit. Innocent until proven guilty is only for the courts. If a teacher works at an elementary school is accused of child molestation do we suspend them until we find out the truth? Or do we let them teach until they are guilty. Not that it is the same thing, but it is not always about due process. Vick is a football player, if the majority of fans don't want him playing - he shouldn't be. If the trial drags on for more than a year, and he is playing, then convicted...that does not seem okay to me.

There is a lot of evidence that has been compiled against Vick. They seem to have taken their time and built a solid case. They have witnesses, property owned by Vick where dogs fought and were killed and indicted co-conspirators. The NFL should weigh the evidence now and suspend him based on that. This is pretty sickening to a lot of people. The NFL could actually lose business and needs to look out for its interests.

Dog fighting apparently becoming more popular
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19836601/site/newsweek/?GT1=10150

And another new article on Vick:
http://news.aol.com/sports/story/_a/vick-case-sheds-light-on-dogfighting/20070719101509990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

Roxy: I didn't think I could hate the man anymore. Thanks...

I say we just put him in a cage with half a dozen dogs and let him fight his way out.

Of course the cage will be locked and he will be drugged to slow his reflexes ensuring a dog victory.....

Well that was for gambling on the game he was playing. But even if they don't suspend Vick I don't see how he is going to play from behind bars.

Done.

As a Dolphins fan, good luck with that.

I second that, just as someone who's seen Joey Harrington play quarterback.

I understand the NFL is a private company, and that they have the right to protect their name and their product. I understand the suspensions of players like Tank Johnson, Chris Henry and Adam Jones. They've consistently shown that they are prone to getting in trouble. I even realize it's within Goodel's purview (Or Arthur Blank's) to suspend Vick, if he so chooses. But I don't like it. Despite the utterly despicable nature of what he's being charged with, he doesn't have that criminal history that the other players have. And I think that should matter. Ray Lewis was indicted on murder charges a few years ago; charges that were ultimately dropped. It would have been unfair then if Tagliabue had suspended him for something that ultimately he was not convicted of. Kobe Bryant was charged with rape, and that was settled without conviction. Should Kobe have been suspended by David Stern, threatening the Lakers' season, while that was going on, even though he wasn't found guilty? I don't believe so. There is still the real possibility that Vick doesn't get convicted. I've read the indictment, and I've seen and read a lot about the allegations. It looks very bad for him, but I think he should get the benefit of the doubt from the league on this. This isn't like, say, the Don Imus firing where what he said was videotaped. I just think it would be dangerous to suspend someone and damage his livelihood for having an accusation lodged at him.

I also don't think your teacher analogy is apt. If Vick's chief employment were as a breeder or kennel operator, then yes, I think that would be germane, and it would be correct to suspend those licenses preemptively.

Uhm did I need the <sarcasm> tag on that?

Well, I don't think your defending Vick as much as the process. The Kobe rape situation isn't a good comparison either because that was one person's claims against anothers. I, personally, think Kobe raped the girl. But that is based on stories of hearing about how much of a class A asshole Kobe was when I worked at the Staples Center. As well as the behavior of his family, who I had to take care of on occassion. And friends personal experiences with Kobe. I'd be very surprised if he didn't rape her, but I don't think he should have been suspended. It was his word against hers.

The Vick evidence is, to date, very damning. It includes physical evidence as well as witness statements. I don't think it sets a dangerous precedent. Every case can be taken on it's own evidence from here on out.

But I personally stopped watching the NFL and NBA years ago because of all the punks that are so prevalent. And they both sports have become over loaded with individuals - both of which are related.

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I'm with emotedcreations: I hate him even more having read that, which is quite a feat. Somebody should electrocute and drown his mother for raising such scumfucks as him and Marcus.

This I've not heard of. What I hear more often is that they become bait dogs. They're sent in a ring with actual fighting dogs to build up their skill, strength and gameness. Their muzzles are bound, and their front legs bound together with something like duct tape so they can't injure the true moneymakers by doing something silly like defending themselves.

I've also heard plenty of stories of owners torturing their losing dogs, and not always to death. When we were at the protest of the Ontario pit bull ban in Queens Park a couple of years ago, we made contact with a handful of rescue and awareness groups, and have been in touch ever since. As such, I've heard ongoing stories and seen pictures that turn my stomach.

Any yokel who's been asked about the Vick trial, and doesn't see the big deal, has never seen the condition these dogs are in, practically from day one. The terminal optimist in me would love to see the NFL and the judicial system make an example of Vick on many levels.

hes a shitbag