Yeah I was getting a little tired of this man slamming American companies. I was raised on the american automobile. My father works for Ford, his plant is closing next year. My stepfather works for General Motors and has to deal with work cutbacks and possible layoffs. Sure Toyota has plants in the united states and provides jobs for american workersm but where to you think the profit goes? back to japan. Go hug a tree and bitch about something else.
_DictionaryGirl_ said:
Man, I wish they turned into things like Fiats and Datsuns. I saw one of each today on the road and they never fail to impress me exponentially more than Hummers.
</total girly car geek>
They're Transformers, not GAYformers.
My first car was a Datsun. Does that make me gay? If it does, I'm going to go out and have some fun tonight.
handsome_rob said:
yeah, so i'm not gonna bother reading all 3 pages thus far of comments before posting, so if i repeat someone else's point, it just illustrates my mind-control powers and how rad i am for making others agree with me.
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i don't care about product placement in this movie. i care about cars turning into gian robots who beat the fuck out of each other just like when i was a kid.
reasons i think the product placement is okay in this scenario:
1) that camaro is fucking badass (and i'm a a totla mustang fanatic, so...) and i loved seeing the new one in action rather than in magazines.
2) i read somewhere that michael bay (love him or hate him) claimed the general motors product placement saved a major chunk of budget for other, (and in my opinion probably more important) aspects of the production. more money for cgi and effects shots, more explosions and more money to pay the actors to do a decent job.
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say what you want about the actors. i watched it last night and i loved the flick. the actors did a great job in their parts, and some shone (like shia running away from bumblebee and screaming about being chased by his car) and the other did a decent, if not great, job at the roles in an otherwise completely absurd scenario.
also, i think dictionary girl said it best about how totally amazing it would be to see a prius optimus prime ordering hybrid car transformers to unplug and roll out.
come on people, it's a fantasy movie about a fantasy of (most of) our childhoods. cool cars turninginto cool robots who blow shit up. i felt like i was fucking five years old all over again last night. when was the last time any of us can claim such innocent recollection and happiness?
it just seems to me that maybe someone didn't "get" transformers back in the day and now can't see the forest for the trees. enjoy the movie for the simple entertainment value and forget political views on fuel economy or green ideology for a couple of hours. relax, enjoy the moment. after all, when we were five and watching, wide-eyed and amazed, did we think about those things? no.
and while yes, the topics of environmental conservation and ecology are extremely important, those things were not the point of the movie. the point was to make money for the studio, and to entertain the audience with memories of childhood innocence, or even bring new fans in. the writers and crew were all fans, so they did it justice, in my opinion. why try to ruin it for others by overanalyzing a movie where most of the vehicle-related action was cgi anyway (thus negating the greenhouse effects of the non-real cars)?
seriously, don't worry about it. it's a movie. if you want to fight gm, then don't buy a hummer or a camaro or a "topkick" or (fsm forbid) a peterbilt semi-truck - even though diesel is better for the air than gasoline. get a flex-fuel car or even better, get an electric or hydrogen powered one. it's a simple as that.
who cares whether a cool movie used cool cars to make the action fun?
as for me, i'm going to see it again tomorrow with two of my oldest and best friends, with whom i idolized these characters, and i'll be damned if i let some naysayer who forgot what it's like to be young and is too concerned with fuel economy on giant robots ruin it for me.
Well, actually, my biggest problem with the film was its almost complete lack of character or story development. Where's the history? We get it in about a 5-minute recap from Optimus Prime. The other problem I have with "Transformers" is that the story is hardly even about the Transformers. The main storyline, really, is the teenage romance, followed by the Air Force team that escapes the initial Decepticon attack, followed by the young computer programmer working for the government. The Transformers, themselves, are more or less props.
I think that the 1986 film is still better than Bay's.
handsome_rob said:
the point was to make money for the studio, and to entertain the audience with memories of childhood innocence, or even bring new fans in.
Everything you say in that sentence is true, right up to the first comma.
Watching Optimus Prime die in the 86 film did a lot to take away my childhood innocence. At least until he was brought back to life, anyway.
For my part, I usually refer to the movie as "charmingly retarded".
The biggest problem with the movie was the director. Michael Bay has a pathological need to turn every movie he has his hands on into a budding romance beset by bejesus-class explosions (nice alliteration there), no matter how out of place, and to turn every character into a stereotype, which I think masks his complete inability to get a clear plot thread in his movies going--the fact that these are stereotypes is supposed to fill in whatever the erratic pacing and editing leave out. He also seems to pick his action scenes less on their coherance than on how much memory they chew up on the supercomputer to generate. Finally, I would also say that I'm not a little off-put by his pseudo-feminism that he uses to pass off putting eye candy in his movie. The fact that the stone-cold fox can hack a computer (and we'll leave the misuse of the term hacker for another day) or jimmy the infamous two wires to start a car is in this case completely tertiary to why they are there: because they are stone-cold foxes. This contrasts with far more feminist characters in other action films like Zoe in Deathproof and Ripley in Aliens, who are sexy because they are so immensely capable.
For all that though, I found the autobots somewhat inspirational, in a sort of dumbed-down Kantian sort of way. They have very strong (if somewhat fuzzy) senses of morality, but they also question the worthiness of humanity to enjoy the costs they pay. I also think Shia is charismatic and capable of heading a far more quality movie than this one based on what I've seen. The scene with his parents (if again touching off my feminist-movie sensibilities when they start high-fiving Sam for having Michaela in his room; somehow, just somehow I got the impression that the reverse would not have yielded the same parental enthusiasm) is also fairly well-done and brilliant by Michael Bay standards. The big thing, however, is that I saw an inkling of why the friend who dragged me to this loved the Transformers as a child, especially in Optimus Prime's stubborn nobility.
Now if only they could have fixed the scene at the end where Sam and Michaela are making out on Bumblebee's hood. I was not the only one in the audience to say an audible "Eww!"
handsome_rob said:
the point was to make money for the studio, and to entertain the audience with memories of childhood innocence, or even bring new fans in.
Everything you say in that sentence is true, right up to the first comma.
Watching Optimus Prime die in the 86 film did a lot to take away my childhood innocence. At least until he was brought back to life, anyway.
Honestly, it never pays to believe a prominent character's death, as it's usually faked or "premature".
I'd gotten the impression from this article that the Transformers themselves were pretty much all General Motors vehicles. And I don't know, maybe some of them were, it wasn't obvious to me as a non-car person. Fucking every other car in the entire movie had a big GMC logo on the grill, though.
explosivousn said:
Yeah I was getting a little tired of this man slamming American companies. I was raised on the american automobile. My father works for Ford, his plant is closing next year. My stepfather works for General Motors and has to deal with work cutbacks and possible layoffs. Sure Toyota has plants in the united states and provides jobs for american workersm but where to you think the profit goes? back to japan. Go hug a tree and bitch about something else.
Er, I kinda thought the objection was to the practices of American automakers. You know the same ones putting your family out of work.
explosivousn said:
Yeah I was getting a little tired of this man slamming American companies. I was raised on the american automobile. My father works for Ford, his plant is closing next year. My stepfather works for General Motors and has to deal with work cutbacks and possible layoffs. Sure Toyota has plants in the united states and provides jobs for american workersm but where to you think the profit goes? back to japan. Go hug a tree and bitch about something else.
OMFG!!!!1!!11!! Those sneaky japs.... doing the exact same thing american companies do....but better! How dare they!?!
BigWobbles
Philadelphia, PA
June 2004
JUL 07, 2007 09:25 AM