MrCrisp said:
so let me get this straight: our government has spent more money fighting kosilek's case than it would actually cost to give him the sex change in the first place? what a country!
They've got a ways to go yet before they've spent more than the cost of both Kosilek's surgery and the taxpayer-funded elective surgeries that would be demanded were this precedent set.
really? i guess i should have read the article.
An Associated Press review of the case, including figures obtained through Freedom of Information Act requests and interviews, found that the Correction Department and its outside health care provider have spent more than $52,000 on experts to testify about an operation that would cost about $20,000.
The Correction Department has spent about $33,000 on two experts it retained to evaluate Kosilek . Both Cynthia Osborne, a Baltimore psychotherapist, and Chester Schmidt, a psychiatry professor at Johns Hopkins University, said Kosilek does not need the surgery. Schmidt's fee alone was $350 per hour.
Two other doctors retained and paid for by the department's outside health provider, the University of Massachusetts Correctional Health Program, at a cost of just under $19,000 said they believe the surgery is medically necessary for Kosilek . Two other doctors who work for the health provider agreed with that.
but then, it isn't really about the. it's the principal of it all!
Corrections officials say their decision to deny the surgery has nothing to do with costs or the politics of crime. They cite the testimony of their experts and Kosilek herself that her feelings of depression have diminished since she began taking hormones.
Former Commissioner Kathleen Dennehy testified that allowing Kosilek to complete the transformation into a woman would present a security problem. Whether she stays in a male prison or is transferred to a female prison, she could become a target for sexual assault, Dennehy testified.
sexual assault, in a prison? no way. feelings of depression diminished, in a prison? okay, i don't quite trust that one.
in the end, it's a waste of money either way.
Did you, uh, understand my response? Because your response to mine doesn't follow.
BlastProcessing said: MrCrisp said:
so let me get this straight: our government has spent more money fighting kosilek's case than it would actually cost to give him the sex change in the first place? what a country!
They've got a ways to go yet before they've spent more than the cost of both Kosilek's surgery and the taxpayer-funded elective surgeries that would be demanded were this precedent set.
really? i guess i should have read the article.
An Associated Press review of the case, including figures obtained through Freedom of Information Act requests and interviews, found that the Correction Department and its outside health care provider have spent more than $52,000 on experts to testify about an operation that would cost about $20,000.
The Correction Department has spent about $33,000 on two experts it retained to evaluate Kosilek . Both Cynthia Osborne, a Baltimore psychotherapist, and Chester Schmidt, a psychiatry professor at Johns Hopkins University, said Kosilek does not need the surgery. Schmidt's fee alone was $350 per hour.
Two other doctors retained and paid for by the department's outside health provider, the University of Massachusetts Correctional Health Program, at a cost of just under $19,000 said they believe the surgery is medically necessary for Kosilek . Two other doctors who work for the health provider agreed with that.
but then, it isn't really about the. it's the principal of it all!
Corrections officials say their decision to deny the surgery has nothing to do with costs or the politics of crime. They cite the testimony of their experts and Kosilek herself that her feelings of depression have diminished since she began taking hormones.
Former Commissioner Kathleen Dennehy testified that allowing Kosilek to complete the transformation into a woman would present a security problem. Whether she stays in a male prison or is transferred to a female prison, she could become a target for sexual assault, Dennehy testified.
sexual assault, in a prison? no way. feelings of depression diminished, in a prison? okay, i don't quite trust that one.
in the end, it's a waste of money either way.
Did you, uh, understand my response? Because your response to mine doesn't follow.
tldr?
No, seriously.
i was being serious.
And I still don't see how the body of your response was a response to what you responded...to. This kind of thing needs to be killed off to prevent other equally-frivolous procedures from thinking they get to happen.
[OT] I wonder if what's under the spoilers has turned into a too-many-quotes trainwreck yet.
MrCrisp
I'm lost
August 2004
JUL 01, 2007 11:13 AM