NEWS: Justice Scalia Wants to Throw a Man Hump on Jack Bauer

Zarth said:

I doubt anything would work. But I'd try talking to him. Probably about children and about God. I'd suspect that that might have the best chance of changing his mind and convincing him to assist me as anything - because that's the real goal, isn't it? To obtain cooperation.

Without that, the bomb goes off.

Zarth said:

I doubt anything would work. But I'd try talking to him. Probably about children and about God. I'd suspect that that might have the best chance of changing his mind and convincing him to assist me as anything - because that's the real goal, isn't it? To obtain cooperation.

Without that, the bomb goes off.

You're pretending that there's something high-minded and protective about your desire to inflict suffering on our enemies. There isn't. It's useless, and it soils our hands. And it justifies their hatred - as if they needed justification.

Zarth said:

I doubt anything would work. But I'd try talking to him. Probably about children and about God. I'd suspect that that might have the best chance of changing his mind and convincing him to assist me as anything - because that's the real goal, isn't it? To obtain cooperation.

Without that, the bomb goes off.

You're pretending that there's something high-minded and protective about your desire to inflict suffering on our enemies. There isn't. It's useless, and it soils our hands. And it justifies their hatred - as if they needed justification. And your course of action would intensify his resistance at the worst possible time. Punishment is pretty unreliable at encouraging compliance, especially in the short term.

No, the reason you'd like to inflict suffering on these people is just to make yourself feel better. Because you believe they deserve it.

And they* do. That's not the issue. The issue is whether we allow ourselves to become our enemies.

* That is, the actual terrorists, not the Abduls and Yusufs picked up in random sweeps, or denounced to the Coalition by informers to whom they owe money, or whatever

fountainofdreams said:
I'd just bore the bastards into giving up the bomb location. That could be called torture, I guess...If you can call a 10 hour lecture on copyright law torture.

KUNGFOO said:
How come this is the only scenario the pro-tortue types can come up with? Ever heard this one before?

"You know, what if you had a kill one little girl to save a million lives? Would you do it man?"

KUNGFOO said:
What if Jesus opened a inter-demensional portal in my wall and invited me out for some beer but on the way to the bar, we get jumped by a couple of lizard ninjas?

mgcchkn said:

"Rant, Spit, Rave, Drool, Hiss, Slobber, etc."

_Poptard_ said:

Ouch. Godwin.

KUNGFOO said:
How come this is the only scenario the pro-tortue types can come up with? Ever heard this one before?

"You know, what if you had a kill one little girl to save a million lives? Would you do it man?"

What if Jesus opened a inter-demensional portal in my wall and invited me out for some beer but on the way to the bar, we get jumped by a couple of lizard ninjas?