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NadirByte

NadirByte

I'm lost
May 2007

JUN 15, 2007 04:16 PM


[[...]] candy canes [[were distributed by a group in Massachusetts]]] as part of a religious message that the red stripes represented the blood of Christ.



"Mmmmm, sugar-sweet Christ-blood" -- some neo-khristian lunacy, most ripe and in season, no?

The author Camille Paglia is one author having used the phrase, Pauline Christianity. It is a fact, in fact, that most of the New Testament is identified as a work of the man called the apostle, Paul. So, I think she was onto something.

As for what Paul was up to, darned if I can really give a rat's candy-cane -- unless it might be addressed in an (hopefully, objective) analysis of the social, ergo primarily secular phenomenon, the Christian religion.

(NB: This is said not as if any other thing identitified as "religion" was not social, ergo primarily secular. Insofar as I can determine, it appears that all things called "religion" are social, primariliy secular.)

As such: If religion is the new black, that may be quite fitting for the matter. Propers, Subrosa

Rush

Rush

Astoria, NY
June 2005

JUN 15, 2007 04:18 PM

Subrosa said:

fountainofdreams said:
...I just got the title.

Wow. That took me a few minutes.



It works on multiple levels, see.


I came to post that I think this title is the cleverest yet.

Niani

Niani

Apopka, FL
May 2005

JUN 15, 2007 09:29 PM

Flux said:

Azuri said:
For example, to be a Hindu, you have to be born a Hindu. You can't become a Hindu. The closest thing that they have for people who want to be a Hindu is the Hare Krishna sect. You could say that it's a very exclusive religion, and be mad about that and think it's unfair, yada, yada, yada...



Just because nobody else picked this up, you absolutely don't have to be born Hindu to be Hindu, unless you consider it an ethnicity rather than a faith.

Stephen Knapp lays it down.


Carry on.



Well, actually my Hindu Thought and Culture Teacher who was from Yemen (and who spent a lot of time in India) said that the folks in India don't think very much of non-Hindus (the faith) trying to "become" Hindus (i.e. some young, idealistic American kids wandering through marijuana fields...) I say that jokingly, but I use it as an example.

So I guess what my teacher was trying to say is that technically you can adopt those values and beliefs, but Hindu society as a whole might not accept your decision and actually snub you for trying to cut in.

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

Knoxville, TN
OLD SKOOL

JUN 15, 2007 09:41 PM

aldushuxley said:
I guess I am kind of removed from the bulk of Americans, being part of an "elitist" society you naturally class people in two categories, guy who's got your back and civilians. So I don't really know what is going on with civies most of the time I use sights like this to get my news. Yes I am serious. For your previous question about homosexuality that doesn't affect me so I do not worry about it.



So, wait-wait-wait. You're the one who categorically sees people as either "my Armed Services brah" or "second-class civilian", but everyone else on here are somehow the ones with the problem relating to people?

ardour

ardour

Ottawa, ON
March 2006

JUN 15, 2007 10:03 PM

Damn, this aldushuxley guy sure has been a glutton for punishment over the past few days.

joker_

joker_

Windsor, CA
October 2005

JUN 15, 2007 11:07 PM

Azuri said:

Flux said:

Azuri said:
For example, to be a Hindu, you have to be born a Hindu. You can't become a Hindu. The closest thing that they have for people who want to be a Hindu is the Hare Krishna sect. You could say that it's a very exclusive religion, and be mad about that and think it's unfair, yada, yada, yada...



Just because nobody else picked this up, you absolutely don't have to be born Hindu to be Hindu, unless you consider it an ethnicity rather than a faith.

Stephen Knapp lays it down.


Carry on.



Well, actually my Hindu Thought and Culture Teacher who was from Yemen (and who spent a lot of time in India) said that the folks in India don't think very much of non-Hindus (the faith) trying to "become" Hindus (i.e. some young, idealistic American kids wandering through marijuana fields...) I say that jokingly, but I use it as an example.

So I guess what my teacher was trying to say is that technically you can adopt those values and beliefs, but Hindu society as a whole might not accept your decision and actually snub you for trying to cut in.



I never noticed this behavior with all the Hindus I was around. Of course, I realize that my anecdotal evidence cannot be stated as any kind of objective truth. It is contrary to what your teacher from Yemen experienced.

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

JUN 16, 2007 08:17 AM

joker_c said:

Azuri said:

Flux said:

Azuri said:
For example, to be a Hindu, you have to be born a Hindu. You can't become a Hindu. The closest thing that they have for people who want to be a Hindu is the Hare Krishna sect. You could say that it's a very exclusive religion, and be mad about that and think it's unfair, yada, yada, yada...


Just because nobody else picked this up, you absolutely don't have to be born Hindu to be Hindu, unless you consider it an ethnicity rather than a faith.

Stephen Knapp lays it down.


Carry on.


Well, actually my Hindu Thought and Culture Teacher who was from Yemen (and who spent a lot of time in India) said that the folks in India don't think very much of non-Hindus (the faith) trying to "become" Hindus (i.e. some young, idealistic American kids wandering through marijuana fields...) I say that jokingly, but I use it as an example.

So I guess what my teacher was trying to say is that technically you can adopt those values and beliefs, but Hindu society as a whole might not accept your decision and actually snub you for trying to cut in.


I never noticed this behavior with all the Hindus I was around. Of course, I realize that my anecdotal evidence cannot be stated as any kind of objective truth. It is contrary to what your teacher from Yemen experienced.


I think it really depends on the sect, and who you're hanging around with. I also think it would be more appropriate to say that there's no mechanism (that I know of) for joining a caste, which is - or at least formerly was - a pretty basic Hindu social unit.

That being said, of course, individual Westerners and other non-Hindus have been taken on as chelas by various gurus for centuries.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

JUN 16, 2007 11:50 AM

Zarth said:
...there are people I like and care about who are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Pagan, and Hindu

Don't forget Buddhist. tongue

PointBlank said:

aldushuxley said:
I hate being right, but still being wrong. Okay today the billy goats have the victory this troll is fleeing with the last shreds of his dignity.

I guess this would be the wrong time to tell you that you spelled Aldous wrong, then?

shocked

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

JUN 16, 2007 12:32 PM

emotedcreations said:

Zarth said:
...there are people I like and care about who are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Pagan, and Hindu


Don't forget Buddhist. tongue


I omitted Buddhism from that list purposely, since, like Taoism, it's a nontheistic religion, so I don't see it as fundamentally erroneous in the way I see Abrahamic or polytheistic faiths as being.

So there.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

JUN 16, 2007 12:37 PM

Zarth said:

emotedcreations said:

Zarth said:
...there are people I like and care about who are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Pagan, and Hindu


Don't forget Buddhist. tongue


I omitted Buddhism from that list purposely, since, like Taoism, it's a nontheistic religion, so I don't see it as fundamentally erroneous in the way I see Abrahamic or polytheistic faiths as being.

So there.

That's right bitch.

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

JUN 16, 2007 12:38 PM

emotedcreations said:
That's right bitch.


I didn't know they made a Zarth smilie.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Christmas Island
August 2005

JUN 16, 2007 12:48 PM

Zarth said:

emotedcreations said:

Zarth said:
...there are people I like and care about who are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Pagan, and Hindu


Don't forget Buddhist. tongue


I omitted Buddhism from that list purposely, since, like Taoism, it's a nontheistic religion, so I don't see it as fundamentally erroneous in the way I see Abrahamic or polytheistic faiths as being.

So there.



I was gonna tell him it was just that you didn't like or care about any Buddhists tongue

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

JUN 16, 2007 12:51 PM

Zarth said:

emotedcreations said:
That's right bitch.


I didn't know they made a Zarth smilie.

It's all yours. You should make it the sig at the end of all your posts like FP.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

JUN 16, 2007 12:53 PM

chainlink said:
I was gonna tell him it was just that you didn't like or care about any Buddhists tongue

Meanie....

Chainlink

Chainlink

Christmas Island
August 2005

JUN 16, 2007 01:02 PM

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

JUN 16, 2007 01:13 PM

Chainlink

Chainlink

Christmas Island
August 2005

JUN 16, 2007 01:18 PM

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

JUN 16, 2007 01:24 PM

Zarth said:

joker_c said:

Azuri said:

Flux said:

Azuri said:
For example, to be a Hindu, you have to be born a Hindu. You can't become a Hindu. The closest thing that they have for people who want to be a Hindu is the Hare Krishna sect. You could say that it's a very exclusive religion, and be mad about that and think it's unfair, yada, yada, yada...


Just because nobody else picked this up, you absolutely don't have to be born Hindu to be Hindu, unless you consider it an ethnicity rather than a faith.

Stephen Knapp lays it down.


Carry on.


Well, actually my Hindu Thought and Culture Teacher who was from Yemen (and who spent a lot of time in India) said that the folks in India don't think very much of non-Hindus (the faith) trying to "become" Hindus (i.e. some young, idealistic American kids wandering through marijuana fields...) I say that jokingly, but I use it as an example.

So I guess what my teacher was trying to say is that technically you can adopt those values and beliefs, but Hindu society as a whole might not accept your decision and actually snub you for trying to cut in.


I never noticed this behavior with all the Hindus I was around. Of course, I realize that my anecdotal evidence cannot be stated as any kind of objective truth. It is contrary to what your teacher from Yemen experienced.


I think it really depends on the sect, and who you're hanging around with. I also think it would be more appropriate to say that there's no mechanism (that I know of) for joining a caste, which is - or at least formerly was - a pretty basic Hindu social unit.

That being said, of course, individual Westerners and other non-Hindus have been taken on as chelas by various gurus for centuries.



Well that, and I think the disdain is more along the lines of what you might expect a devout Native American to think of some fashionable New-Ager showing up looking for a vision quest. It's not a disdain for outsiders. Not even for outsiders looking to convert.

It's a disdain for outsiders with no serious interest in the actual beliefs looking for an "authentic" experience, when they wouldn't recognize "authentic" if it crawled up and bit them on the ass.

But then, I'm just a fashionably ex-Adventist atheist. So you can take my opinion with as much salt as you like.

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Mokena, IL
January 2005

JUN 16, 2007 01:33 PM

Zarth said:

Azuri said:
I think if you want to rise above the hate, dislike, intolerance, whatever you want to call it...that people should really try to respect everyone's religion, whether you agree with every single little detail about it or not, and respect everyone's right to believe what they want to believe.


Within limits. I'm an atheist, myself, but there are people I like and care about who are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Pagan, and Hindu. I don't believe that any of them are right about the way the universe is put together, but I'm not going to argue with them about it (though I might tease occasionally) because their beliefs - so long as they remain harmless to others - are their own affair.

But that's only as long as those beliefs remain harmless to others. When their beliefs start leading them to beat gay men to death, to push women down wells or set them on fire (three out of the five religions I mentioned have endorsed that one in various times and places), or to murder followers of other religions, there's no tolerating that. It's like any other crime, whether motivated by their understanding of God or not.



How dare you make sense and remain well-written while speaking out against things that you don't agree with! That's not how internet forums work AT ALL.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

JUN 17, 2007 03:15 PM

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