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Ff

I'm lost
August 2006

JUN 07, 2007 06:36 AM

PointBlank said:

fuckfuck said:
i am a black man, grew up in predominantly black neighborhoods, went to exclusively black schools, until i reached the age of about 14 had only black friends, and even i can admit there is a lot of truth to this article and agree with some (not all!!) of it. unfortunately unless you are Chris Rock (i would insert a hilarious you-tube link here if i knew how) you cannot get away with saying things like this in this country.


I'm pretty sure he did get away with saying things like that.



i hope so

Quirky

Quirky

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

JUN 07, 2007 06:43 AM

FastJetta said:

fuckfuck said:
i am a black man, grew up in predominantly black neighborhoods, went to exclusively black schools, until i reached the age of about 14 had only black friends, and even i can admit there is a lot of truth to this article and agree with some (not all!!) of it. unfortunately unless you are Chris Rock (i would insert a hilarious you-tube link here if i knew how) you cannot get away with saying things like this in this country.



**Sarcasm**
Glad you enjoy the freedom of speech... shocked
**Sarcasm done**

And what was everyone on here saying 15 years ago? I'm sure everyone of us has grown and matured in that time, but apparently this isn't allowed for a politician. Yes, these are very racially charged comments. No, I don't agree with most of it.



Zomg fifteen years ago? RLY? That changes everythang!

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUN 07, 2007 06:54 AM

This thread is perfect source material for selecting people for my ignore list.

Thank you , you dumb ass bigoted morons.

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

JUN 07, 2007 07:02 AM

fuckfuck said:
i am a black man, grew up in predominantly black neighborhoods, went to exclusively black schools, until i reached the age of about 14 had only black friends, and even i can admit there is a lot of truth to this article and agree with some (not all!!) of it. unfortunately unless you are Chris Rock (i would insert a hilarious you-tube link here if i knew how) you cannot get away with saying things like this in this country.



Now I know what kind of black dude that would join the KKK. Thanks.

And, from all of the black men and women who lead decent, even exemplary lives (which the majority do): Fuck you.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JUN 07, 2007 07:11 AM

FastJetta said:

fuckfuck said:
i am a black man, grew up in predominantly black neighborhoods, went to exclusively black schools, until i reached the age of about 14 had only black friends, and even i can admit there is a lot of truth to this article and agree with some (not all!!) of it. unfortunately unless you are Chris Rock (i would insert a hilarious you-tube link here if i knew how) you cannot get away with saying things like this in this country.



**Sarcasm**
Glad you enjoy the freedom of speech... shocked
**Sarcasm done**


Freedom of speech has absolutely, positively nothing to do with this. No one is saying Paul deserves to go to jail for this shit. So stop with your idiotic red herrings.


And what was everyone on here saying 15 years ago? I'm sure everyone of us has grown and matured in that time, but apparently this isn't allowed for a politician. Yes, these are very racially charged comments. No, I don't agree with most of it.



Because the fact that time has passed means he's totally changed his mind about that stuff right? I mean, he has to have! He tells everyone he's not a racist now.

It's amazing the shit that gullible people such as yourself will rationalize away.

Also, I can guarantee you that 15 years ago I wasn't saying shit like that. Nothing close. Were you?

Bastardo

Bastardo

Boston, MA
January 2005

JUN 07, 2007 07:17 AM

wildswan said:

fuckfuck said:
i am a black man, grew up in predominantly black neighborhoods, went to exclusively black schools, until i reached the age of about 14 had only black friends, and even i can admit there is a lot of truth to this article and agree with some (not all!!) of it. unfortunately unless you are Chris Rock (i would insert a hilarious you-tube link here if i knew how) you cannot get away with saying things like this in this country.



Now I know what kind of black dude that would join the KKK. Thanks.

And, from all of the black men and women who lead decent, even exemplary lives (which the majority do): Fuck you.



Self-hatred fever; catch it!
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PatrickY

PatrickY

Vancouver, WA
December 2003

JUN 07, 2007 10:21 AM

Let's see. Fifteen years ago, I don't remember anyone worth a damn saying anything that even came within shouting distance of this verbal swill. And this from a guy whose college was in a town nicknamed Vantucky.

This is nasty, virulent shit, without a single redeeming value, and there is no context which can elevate it above the level of abhorent.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JUN 07, 2007 10:51 AM

You make a good point. I forgot that fifteen years ago I was totally racist.

joker_

joker_

Minneapolis, MN
October 2005

JUN 07, 2007 12:22 PM

FastJetta said:
No, I don't agree with most of it.



So, some of it is agreeable then, in context for you. Exactly which parts?

mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

JUN 07, 2007 03:00 PM

FastJetta said:
And what was everyone on here saying 15 years ago? I'm sure everyone of us has grown and matured in that time, but apparently this isn't allowed for a politician.



Gee, I'm pretty sure that I wasn't calling black people "terrorists," "animals," and "barbarians," or blaming the L.A. riots on "Trotskyite-Maoism," or claiming that virtually all criminals are black, or dismissing black peoples' historic victimization as mere "claims," or suggesting that shooting black people was the way to act like a "real American," or blaming the Rodney King beating verdict on the NAACP, or dismissing the political views of 95% of all African-Americans as not "sensible," or claiming that 95% of black men "are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

What the fuck were you saying 15 years ago? Do tell.

FastJetta

FastJetta

Boulder, CO
April 2006

JUN 07, 2007 03:06 PM

mingol said:

What the fuck were you saying 15 years ago? Do tell.



I was 11, and more worried about the girl sitting next to me in class, than the rest of the world...

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

JUN 07, 2007 03:07 PM

FastJetta said:

mingol said:
What the fuck were you saying 15 years ago? Do tell.


I was 11, and more worried about the girl sitting next to me in class, than the rest of the world...


So your line of defense is personally worthless.

mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

JUN 07, 2007 03:10 PM

FastJetta said:

mingol said:
What the fuck were you saying 15 years ago? Do tell.


I was 11, and more worried about the girl sitting next to me in class, than the rest of the world...



An 11-year old might have an excuse for saying such ridiculous, offensive shit. A 57-year old really doesn't.

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

JUN 07, 2007 03:13 PM

mingol said:

FastJetta said:

mingol said:
What the fuck were you saying 15 years ago? Do tell.


I was 11, and more worried about the girl sitting next to me in class, than the rest of the world...


An 11-year old might have an excuse for saying such ridiculous, offensive shit. A 57-year old really doesn't.


Exactly. People do change and grow over a period of time. I've known people who have genuinely changed from being seething racists to upright egalitarians over smaller spans of time - but they leave a record of their evolution.

Ron Paul hasn't. He's come out now and repudiated those words only when it's obviously in his political self-interest to do so.

And yes, if you don't know better when you're 11, or even 22, that's one thing. You've still got a chance. If you don't know better when you're 57, it's highly unlikely that you'll really know better when you're 72.

montestruc

montestruc

Houston, TX
June 2004

JUN 07, 2007 04:09 PM

montestruc

montestruc

Houston, TX
June 2004

JUN 07, 2007 04:12 PM

Zarth said:

montestruc said:

Cairo said:
I am not reading that shit. Learn to link and use pertinent quotes.


Ever heard the word "context"

It is important. One can take a few sentences out a long work on a controversial subject and twist the author's meaning all out of shape.


I've read it.

Its context is so much worse than the isolated quotes.

That is the most fucked up racialist tirade that has had the bad grace to churn my stomach within recent memory. If anyone thinks that it somehow makes Ron Paul's "racist quotes" more palatable or forgivable, they are gravely and profoundly wrong about that.

And probably a white supremacist, by any other name.



Expecting black people to be required to obey the law, and be held just as accountable for their own actions as other set of human beings is "racist"??

The LA riots were "justified"??

As far as I could see I saw no false statements of fact from what I can recall of the history of the riots. Nor was the beating of Rodney King in any reasonable way differerent from the treatment a white man who acted as King did in breaking the law and threatening and defying police officers.

I think the reason you think it is "worse" is the government, and liberal bashing, not the references to blacks.


Anyway it is true that the language of the news letter had racial overtones in that issue and others that should have been muzzled.

However, the fact is that Ron Paul did not write it.

http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41822

----quote---
This source and others add that publications utilized guest writers and editors on a regular basis. Often these guest writers and editors would write a "Ron Paul" column, under which the derogatory comments might have been issued.

Says one source, "Ron Paul didn't know about those comments, or know they were written under his name until much later when they were brought to his attention. There were several issues that went out with comments that he would not ordinarily make. He was angry when he saw them."

Ron Paul has said that he did not write the comments in question, but, nonetheless, has taken "moral" responsibility for them.

An excerpt from an apparent interview with Texas Monthly as quoted on the blog Everything2.com clarifies the above information as follows:

"In spite of calls from Gary Bledsoe, the president of the Texas State Conference of the NAACP, and other civil rights leaders for an apology for such obvious racial typecasting, Paul stood his ground. He said only that his remarks about Barbara Jordan related to her stands on affirmative action and that his written comments about blacks were in the context of 'current events and statistical reports of the time.' He denied any racist intent. What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.

"When I ask him why, he pauses for a moment, then says, 'I could never say this in the campaign, but those words weren't really written by me. It wasn't my language at all. Other people help me with my newsletter as I travel around. I think the one on Barbara Jordan was the saddest thing, because Barbara and I served together and actually she was a delightful lady.' ...

"His reasons for keeping this a secret are harder to understand: 'They were never my words, but I had some moral responsibility for them . . . I actually really wanted to try to explain that it doesn't come from me directly, but they campaign aides said that's too confusing. "It appeared in your letter and your name was on that letter and therefore you have to live with it."
-----------------end quote--------


So do you want a politician with good principles who takes responsibility, or one who evades responsibility like La Bush.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JUN 07, 2007 04:13 PM

montestruc said:

Expecting black people to be required to obey the law, and be held just as accountable for their own actions as other set of human beings is "racist"??

The LA riots were "justified"??

As far as I could see I saw no false statements of fact from what I can recall of the history of the riots. Nor was the beating of Rodney King in any reasonable way differerent from the treatment a white man who acted as King did in breaking the law and threatening and defying police officers.

I think the reason you think it is "worse" is the government, and liberal bashing, not the references to blacks.



Uh. Um. I don't know what to do right now. I'm very scared.


bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUN 07, 2007 04:20 PM

montestruc said:
So do you want a politician with good principles who takes responsibility, or one who evades responsibility like La Bush.



False dichotomy. I'll take option C: someone with good principles who takes responsibility and doesn't have a history of spewing racist bullshit and only going back on it when it's politically essential for him to do so despite repeated chances to renounce or explain his words in the past.

Necia

Necia

San Francisco, CA
August 2005

JUN 07, 2007 04:49 PM

FearTheReaper said:
You make a good point. I forgot that fifteen years ago I was totally racist.



I know, right? Sometimes when I'm sitting there thinking about how liberal and tolerant and awesome I am, I remember 1992 and then I have to go, "Oh, yeah. That's right. Man, I sure did hate those blacks and Jews back in the day, huh?"

But, you know, people can change, right? So then I think about that--that people can change--and I go back to applauding my present-day open-minded non-racist awesomeness and only regret the fact that my past racist self ever put anything into writing that totally unfair people fifteen years in the future would be able to read and judge me on. Or that I hung out with racists who put my name on their writings--whichever.

Sucks for Ron Paul, man. I feel ya.

FastJetta

FastJetta

Boulder, CO
April 2006

JUN 07, 2007 04:54 PM

montestruc said:
So do you want a politician with good principles who takes responsibility, or one who evades responsibility like La Bush.



You do realize that you've disqualified Ron Paul...

_DictionaryGirl_

_DictionaryGirl_

NEWSWIRE

San Diego, CA

JUN 07, 2007 04:57 PM

Ron fucking Paul said:

A lady I know recently saw a black couple in the supermarket with a cute little girl, three years old or so. My friend waved to the tiny child, who scowled, stuck out her tongue, and said (somewhat tautologically): "I hate you, white honkey." And the parents were indulgent. Is any white child taught to hate in this way? I've never heard of it. If a white child made such a remark to a black woman, the parents would stop it with a reprimand or a spank.



Oh really? REALLY?! surreal

Jesus Christ, there are so many things wrong with that tirade that I don't even know where to start. I could barely stand to read it, and now that I have, I am disgusted.

_DictionaryGirl_

_DictionaryGirl_

NEWSWIRE

San Diego, CA

JUN 07, 2007 05:03 PM

Also:

FastJetta said:

And what was everyone on here saying 15 years ago? I'm sure everyone of us has grown and matured in that time, but apparently this isn't allowed for a politician. Yes, these are very racially charged comments. No, I don't agree with most of it.



Fifteen years ago, I was eight years old. And I still knew better than this.

joker_

joker_

Minneapolis, MN
October 2005

JUN 07, 2007 05:19 PM

montestruc said:
Expecting black people to be required to obey the law, and be held just as accountable for their own actions as other set of human beings is "racist"??

The LA riots were "justified"??

As far as I could see I saw no false statements of fact from what I can recall of the history of the riots. Nor was the beating of Rodney King in any reasonable way differerent from the treatment a white man who acted as King did in breaking the law and threatening and defying police officers.

I think the reason you think it is "worse" is the government, and liberal bashing, not the references to blacks.



Did you actually just make an attempt to defend this article that your beloved Ron Paul claims he didn't write?
surreal

Waynbo

Waynbo

San Jose, CA
February 2007

JUN 07, 2007 05:24 PM

Sigh...Montestruc, I fear its a waste of time trying to reason with some of these people. For one thing, they dont understand libertarians, and so dismiss them as kooks. And if they use enough expletives they can make themselves look like really cool commentators, and people here will fall all over themselves trying to prove to others that they hate him the most.
But if you really want to make a splash, you bring out the big ammo: racist! Throw together an article filled with weak assertions and even more fucking expletives. Its in the bag now, baby! Now anyone who defends the subject is also fair game to be called a racist. Never mind the facts. Whats important is the perception you have created and fanned into an online forum inferno! Nobody can question you now! If they try to set the record straight, just call them all sorts of fucking expletives and sit back and watch as everyone joins in the witchhunt. Off with his head!

Yep...we have witnessed a superb hatchetjob. They know all the thought-stopping techniques. They know how to whip up the crowd. They know just the right buzzwords to say. And they revel in their wit and cleverness.

******************************

But...if anyone can be bothered to read Ron Pauls own words...there is a vast library of his actual writings. Try his collection over at Lew Rockwell.com.
Ron Paul Library @ Lew Rockwell

I would suggest starting with this article:
Government and Racism


Government and Racism

by Ron Paul


The controversy surrounding remarks by talk show host Don Imus shows that the nation remains incredibly sensitive about matters of race, despite the outward progress of the last 40 years. A nation that once prided itself on a sense of rugged individualism has become uncomfortably obsessed with racial group identities.

The young women on the basketball team Mr. Imus insulted are over 18 and can speak for themselves. It's disconcerting to see third parties become involved and presume to speak collectively for minority groups. It is precisely this collectivist mindset that is at the heart of racism.

It's also disconcerting to hear the subtle or not-so-subtle threats against free speech. Since the FCC regulates airwaves and grants broadcast licenses, we're told it's proper for government to forbid certain kinds of insulting or offensive speech in the name of racial and social tolerance. Never mind the 1st Amendment, which states unequivocally that, "Congress shall make NO law."

Let's be perfectly clear: the federal government has no business regulating speech in any way. Furthermore, government as an institution is particularly ill-suited to combating bigotry in our society. Bigotry at its essence is a sin of the heart, and we can't change people's hearts by passing more laws and regulations.

In fact it is the federal government more than anything else that divides us along race, class, religion, and gender lines. Government, through its taxes, restrictive regulations, corporate subsidies, racial set-asides, and welfare programs, plays far too large a role in determining who succeeds and who fails in our society. This government "benevolence" crowds out genuine goodwill between men by institutionalizing group thinking, thus making each group suspicious that others are receiving more of the government loot. This leads to resentment and hostility between us.

The political left argues that stringent federal laws are needed to combat racism, even as they advocate incredibly divisive collectivist policies.

Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist.

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.

More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct our sins, we should understand that racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual liberty.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JUN 07, 2007 05:38 PM

Waynbo said:
Sigh...Montestruc, I fear its a waste of time trying to reason with some of these people. For one thing, they dont understand libertarians, and so dismiss them as kooks.



No, we DO understand you. That is why we are calling you kooks. Libertarian is not a complex idea to wrap your head around. Anyone who has been around politics knows what you guys are about. Sorry you are kooks, but that's how we see you. The more we learn about you does not help.

The funny thing is you guys keep giving us things Ron Paul has said and written, like that is going to sway us. It does not. We have chosen to make our decision based on his actions and his record of beliefs.

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