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joker_

Windsor, CA

October 2005

JUN 05, 2007 02:35 PM

emotedcreations said:
Come on you guys this is LOGIC 101:

Bush is doing an excellent job fighting the terrorists.

If only terrorists attacked another target on American soil, then you'd realize what a great job he's doing.

Makes perfect sense to me.

All cats are dogs?

BDeyeD

Ottawa, ON

January 2007

JUN 05, 2007 03:06 PM

joker_c said:

emotedcreations said:
Come on you guys this is LOGIC 101:

Bush is doing an excellent job fighting the terrorists.

If only terrorists attacked another target on American soil, then you'd realize what a great job he's doing.

Makes perfect sense to me.

All cats are dogs?

No, no, no. Seriously, you're not listening. All dogs are cats. Sheesh, I don't see how that can be any clearer.

Zarth said:
You're giving them way too much credit for scheming self-interest. Iraq is not working out the way they wanted, or even expected.

These people are not evil geniuses. They're evil idiots - which is just as dangerous, but requires a different response.

Bush is an evil idiot, some of the others are sharp as tacks...

You're right, this isn't working out the way they want. However they are still using it to the fullest. If for nothing else than as a distraction...

KBR(a halliburton subsidary) is building detention centers here in the US

According to a press release posted on the Halliburton website, "The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs. The contingency support contract provides for planning and, if required, initiation of specific engineering, construction and logistics support tasks to establish, operate and maintain one or more expansion facilities."

OR

The Bush administration plans to resume production of antipersonnel landmine systems in a move that is at odds with both the international community and previous U.S. policy, according to the leading human rights organization, Human Rights Watch (HRW).

OR

Halliburton selling Nuclear Reactor parts to Iran

According to journalist Jason Leopold, sources at former Cheney company Halliburton allege that, as recently as January of 2005, Halliburton sold key components for a nuclear reactor to an Iranian oil development company. Leopold says his Halliburton sources have intimate knowledge of the business dealings of both Halliburton and Oriental Oil Kish, one of Iran's largest private oil companies.

OR... The list goes on

(And yes, many of us here in this forum might be aware but 90% of america is clueless. All they see are reports on Iraq)

My source of the quotes, and some scary reading...

Project Censored 2007

shapeshifter23

San Francisco, CA

September 2005

JUN 05, 2007 03:54 PM

For myself, I have no patience with conspiracy theories. I should think that the Iraq War alone, both in contemplation and execution, would adequately demonstrate the utter incompetence of this administration in intelligence matters.

You do realize, don't you, that the whole story that there is this middle Eastern terrorist network called Al Qaida led by a guy named Bin Laden who fully orchestrated the 9/11 attacks is nothing if not a 'conspiracy theory'?

So are you saying that 9/11 was something that a few disorganized Arabs pulled off on a lark without coordinated premeditation (i.e. without conspiring to do so)? Or do you mean that you only accept the officially sanctioned conspiracy theories supported by mainstream media and the government?...

SockPuppet

I'm lost

July 2006

JUN 05, 2007 03:59 PM

FellOnEarth said:

FearTheReaper said:
Anyway, when the fuck is the greatest president ever going to bomb Iran?

As soon as we get our next big attack on U.S. soil. I don't think anything is beyond the asshole in chief. I believe they'd let a major terror plot come to fruition if it meant that he could blame Iran and declare war on yet another front (while declaring an "emergency government" at home).

That or maybe they'll plan a false flag attack to give the appearance of Iranian hostility. Any guesses as to where?

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Puerto Rico. Easy to blame on teh beardy Commies, no voters actually hurt...

skeptik

New Orleans, LA

February 2004

JUN 05, 2007 05:30 PM

The way to make bush look good.

catdad

Portland, OR

August 2002

JUN 05, 2007 08:40 PM

Zarth said:

geo35 said:
Some people are certain that the Bushies knew in advance of 9/11 and let it happen so as to give themselves a blank check on any and all matters of "national security." I'm not sure they're entirely wrong.

For myself, I have no patience with conspiracy theories. I should think that the Iraq War alone, both in contemplation and execution, would adequately demonstrate the utter incompetence of this administration in intelligence matters.

Just because they are horribly inept at judging and/or managing a war in a foreign country, doesn't mean they are equally inept at manipulating the public.

PresidentChimp

Southfield, MI

July 2005

JUN 05, 2007 09:03 PM

Zarth said:

Actually, if you read that directive, you'll find that it does nothing more sinister than mandate developing and updating contingency plans for emergency response in consultation with local authorities, and explicitly upholds the separation of powers.

Here's some related articles describing Bush's Presidential Directive as a dictatorial grab for power.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55824

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHI20070521&articleId=5720

You can also watch Dr, Jerome Corsi break down and explain the Directive on CSPAN via Youtube -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWlrgsna1J0

Zarth said:

We're a long, long way from the Enabling Act, and histrionics like this don't help address the real problems caused by this administration's mismanagement.

Since you brought up the Enabling Act... How's does our current history not mirror that of Germany in the years leading to WWII? The Reichstag Fire, The Enabling Act & the invasion of Poland... 9/11, The Patriot Act, HR 6166 &The Military Commissions Act of 2006 and the invasion of Iraq. All that's left is Concentration Camps... And they're coming, too.

Here's some links. Starting with a press release from Halliburton's KBR for a Homeland Security contract worth up to $385M to build Concentration Camps.

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B62C8724D%2DAE8A%2D4B5C%2D94C7%2D70171315C0A0%7D&dist=SignInArchive¶m=archive&siteid=mktw&dateid=38741%2E5136277662%2D858254656

http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2007/index.htm#14

http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=eed74d9d44c30493706fe03f4c9b3a77

http://www.alternet.org/story/32647/

There's a lot more out there if you want to see it.

If you'd like to learn what 'falseflag' terrorism is.... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=terrorstorm&hl=en

Zarth said:

There's enough real stuff to worry about without coming up with ludicrous misreadings of obscure memos, or bizarre conspiracies that explain how this lurching disaster of governance has actually all proceeded according to some sinister "plan."

As far as conspiracy theories go... The most ridiculous theory on the internet is the official story given by the U.S. Government in regards to the September 11th attacks. Which, if you still believe... There's no help for you and you're not worth my time.

Most people just want to be reassured that every thing is okay. However, things are pretty bad right now and about to get a lot worse. You can ignore what's happening but you're rights, you're freedom and you're wealth are all being looted through war.

Zarth

Seattle, WA

December 2004

JUN 05, 2007 10:38 PM

You're right, PresidentChimp. I'm not worth your time. Please stop talking to me.

catdad said:
Just because they are horribly inept at judging and/or managing a war in a foreign country, doesn't mean they are equally inept at manipulating the public.

I've never said otherwise - but I'd say they're too inept to have "caused" 9/11 even by deliberate neglect.

shapeshifter23 said:
You do realize, don't you, that the whole story that there is this middle Eastern terrorist network called Al Qaida led by a guy named Bin Laden who fully orchestrated the 9/11 attacks is nothing if not a 'conspiracy theory'?

So are you saying that 9/11 was something that a few disorganized Arabs pulled off on a lark without coordinated premeditation (i.e. without conspiring to do so)? Or do you mean that you only accept the officially sanctioned conspiracy theories supported by mainstream media and the government?...

Is there supposed to be some kind of point somewhere in that? I don't understand this "choice" you're pretending to present me with. It looks an awful lot like you're just being snide.

emotedcreations

Germany

July 2006

JUN 05, 2007 11:07 PM

So who forgot to lock the door of the SG mental ward?

PervyOldGuy

Columbus, OH

October 2006

JUN 06, 2007 01:00 AM

Just in response to all the back and forth with Mr. Zarth about conspiracies and so forth: they did have that memo that attacks were being planned, and the attacks did indeed occur, and there "we" were on 9-11, flat-footed. Hmmm. And there was the PNAC document calling for a "Pearl Harbor" type event, etc. Hmmmmmm....

I know everybody's been over all that a thousand times, but how can any reasonable person at least not harbor the suspicion (sorry about the pun)? The old "incompetence vs malice" saw can be useful, probably most of the time, but in this case it could just as well be a defense mechanism. So many people live in denial, thinking they're being clever....

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA

April 2006

JUN 06, 2007 01:55 AM

PervyOldGuy said:
Just in response to all the back and forth with Mr. Zarth about conspiracies and so forth: they did have that memo that attacks were being planned, and the attacks did indeed occur, and there "we" were on 9-11, flat-footed. Hmmm. And there was the PNAC document calling for a "Pearl Harbor" type event, etc. Hmmmmmm....

I know everybody's been over all that a thousand times, but how can any reasonable person at least not harbor the suspicion (sorry about the pun)? The old "incompetence vs malice" saw can be useful, probably most of the time, but in this case it could just as well be a defense mechanism. So many people live in denial, thinking they're being clever....

Yes indeed, its very easy for people to fall into a rational mindset that discounts something that sounds so horribly improbable, that it simply cannot be true. However, because it is absurd does not mean that it is impossible, it's merely unbelievable.

Considering the U.S. long history of clandestine involvement with terrorist organizations, such an incident as 9/11 could easily occur with relatively few people outside of the terrorist cell even knowing (and many within the cell will not even know who their actual handlers are or real motive behind their overt actions, that's just the way espionage works). That being said, there just seem to be too many coincidences related to 9/11 (and these are real, not imagined "conspiracy theory" coincidences) not to raise an eyebrow. That being said, what's happened has happened... It may be time to move on, but never forget the lessons it has since taught us. If we are to be the "vigilant citizenry" that the government hopes us to be, then we should also be as vigilant guarding against the possibility that there are domestic groups willing to outsource violence to achieve their own nefarious means. At the very least, we should also protect ourselves from the incompetence and negligence of others who might, unwittingly, allow such a thing to occur.

I have no idea how any of this will help our glorious leader out... Sorry.

FastJetta

Nederland, CO

April 2006

JUN 06, 2007 07:00 AM

PresidentChimp said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Zarth said:

Actually, if you read that directive, you'll find that it does nothing more sinister than mandate developing and updating contingency plans for emergency response in consultation with local authorities, and explicitly upholds the separation of powers.

Here's some related articles describing Bush's Presidential Directive as a dictatorial grab for power.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55824

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHI20070521&articleId=5720

You can also watch Dr, Jerome Corsi break down and explain the Directive on CSPAN via Youtube -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWlrgsna1J0

Zarth said:

We're a long, long way from the Enabling Act, and histrionics like this don't help address the real problems caused by this administration's mismanagement.

Since you brought up the Enabling Act... How's does our current history not mirror that of Germany in the years leading to WWII? The Reichstag Fire, The Enabling Act & the invasion of Poland... 9/11, The Patriot Act, HR 6166 &The Military Commissions Act of 2006 and the invasion of Iraq. All that's left is Concentration Camps... And they're coming, too.

Here's some links. Starting with a press release from Halliburton's KBR for a Homeland Security contract worth up to $385M to build Concentration Camps.

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B62C8724D%2DAE8A%2D4B5C%2D94C7%2D70171315C0A0%7D&dist=SignInArchive¶m=archive&siteid=mktw&dateid=38741%2E5136277662%2D858254656

http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2007/index.htm#14

http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=eed74d9d44c30493706fe03f4c9b3a77

http://www.alternet.org/story/32647/

There's a lot more out there if you want to see it.

If you'd like to learn what 'falseflag' terrorism is.... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=terrorstorm&hl=en

Zarth said:

There's enough real stuff to worry about without coming up with ludicrous misreadings of obscure memos, or bizarre conspiracies that explain how this lurching disaster of governance has actually all proceeded according to some sinister "plan."

As far as conspiracy theories go... The most ridiculous theory on the internet is the official story given by the U.S. Government in regards to the September 11th attacks. Which, if you still believe... There's no help for you and you're not worth my time.

Most people just want to be reassured that every thing is okay. However, things are pretty bad right now and about to get a lot worse. You can ignore what's happening but you're rights, you're freedom and you're wealth are all being looted through war.

ding, ding, ding. We have a winner!

PresChimp, I agree 100% with you.

Zarth

Seattle, WA

December 2004

JUN 06, 2007 08:43 AM

So the consensus of the tinfoil hat brigade seems to be that if you don't unquestioningly accept their revealed truth, you're obviously unquestioningly accepting the enemy's revealed truth.

I don't think I have to spell out who that attitude reminds me of.

On top of that, I get more-or-less denounced as a coward, because somehow it's supposed to be more reassuring to believe that this country possesses a political leadership that's capable of starting a nuclear war through its demonstrable incompetence, rather than accepting some unprovable hypothesis of a political leadership that has masterfully and secretly manipulated the course of global events so as to achieve world domination (and, as as aside, if they're dominating the world, they're not doing a very good job - they're not doing a good job of dominating the country).

It seems to me, contrarily, that it's more morally reassuring to believe in a perversely evil enemy whose misdeeds are inevitably the result of their intentions and schemes, rather than accept humans as the flawed creatures invariably trying to do what they believe is right (and are usually wrong about). That's a much more chaotic world to live in, much more unpredictable, and it means recognizing a common humanity, and even the occasional virtue, in the persons to whom we must be opposed on matters of principle. That's more morally uncomfortable than just fighting against existential evil.

Anyway. I don't expect to get anywhere with you characters. Undoubtedly you've written me off as FoxNews-swilling sheeple at best, or perhaps a right-wing shill. Maybe even a spineless "moderate." Perhaps someday you'll outgrow your Saturday-morning cartoon worldview, but I apparently can't make you by speaking reasonably. So I'll just leave you with that final insult and move on.

Bye.

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA

April 2005

JUN 06, 2007 08:50 AM

PresidentChimp said:
Here's some related articles describing Bush's Presidential Directive as a dictatorial grab for power.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55824

Let's stop right there:

WorldNetDaily.com?

Check your sources. This site is run by arch-religious social-conservatives who believe, with all certainty, that we are in the end-times (biblically speaking) and also reported that "soy will make your children gay". They also publish a weekly article by Chuck Norris. He might have a bad ass roundhouse kick, but he's also an idiot.

Uncognitive

Brooklyn, NY

May 2003

JUN 06, 2007 08:57 AM

shapeshifter23 said:
You do realize, don't you, that the whole story that there is this middle Eastern terrorist network called Al Qaida led by a guy named Bin Laden who fully orchestrated the 9/11 attacks is nothing if not a 'conspiracy theory'?

So are you saying that 9/11 was something that a few disorganized Arabs pulled off on a lark without coordinated premeditation (i.e. without conspiring to do so)? Or do you mean that you only accept the officially sanctioned conspiracy theories supported by mainstream media and the government?...

You do realize there's a difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory, right?