skeptik said:
Whether executive orders are constitutional or not (to an extent, they most certainly are) is a different question. But this particular type of executive order has existed since Truman.

where does it state in the constitution that the president has the constitutionall authority of executive order. it ispelled out exactly what the role of the executive branch, legeslative branch and judiciary branch. anything outside of this is delegated to the states and the people.

It's generally considered to spring from Article II, Section 3
"... he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed,..."

Executive orders cover the way the executive branch of government executes laws. As internal orders covering the branch he heads, they are no more prohibited by the Constitution than are the Senate's rules on filibusters.

i absolutely understand that people argue that it implies it in the constitution. but no where does it explicitly give the president that power. excuse me for my lack of imagination and taking the supreme law of the land so literally. and geroge washington was wrong. oops did i say that.

Look, I understand where you're coming from. You're simply mistaken on this particular subject. The Constitution says precisely nothing about how the head of the Executive Branch must execute the laws. It says more about how he is to be elected than it says about the "how" of his power. Executive Orders are formal statements of policy, by the President, of how he will run his own branch of government. And when limited to his own branch, absolutely constitutional. Only if such an order usurps the authority of one of the other branches, would it be unconstitutional.

And any other branch telling him he can't use them would likewise be unconstitutional.

mrseeds

Austin, TX

April 2006

JUN 04, 2007 09:16 PM

skeptik said:

MrSeeds said:

skeptik said:

MrSeeds said:

skeptik said:
Whether executive orders are constitutional or not (to an extent, they most certainly are) is a different question. But this particular type of executive order has existed since Truman.

i can addmit when i am mistaken. i worked this out at work it was all i could think about. and i came to the understanding you described above. thanx for not taking anything personal.

Madrooster7

Austin, TX

May 2005

JUN 05, 2007 07:32 AM

There's more... in the patriot act, under this scenario, a couple other nasty things will happen. All private property instantaneously becomes gov't property, and many private militia groups, many of which are KKK-ish in nature, will be deputized as U.S. Marshals, to "keep the peace." U.S. Marshals have the power to go up to your local city hall, and tell everybody what to do, including the mayor and the police, as well as any public utilities or transportation. And with as many troops as we have overseas, this scenario is quite likely if any "emergency" were to happen, whether inflicted by terrorists or "terrorists." Scary, huh?

You guys should also look up the "Coalition for a New American Century" document. You can read it right on the U.S. Gov't's own website, under the Freedom of Information Act. It's dry and boring, but if you actually read it, get ready to be horrified.

MR

skeptik

New Orleans, LA

February 2004

JUN 05, 2007 08:12 PM

Madrooster7 said:
There's more... in the patriot act, under this scenario, a couple other nasty things will happen. All private property instantaneously becomes gov't property, and many private militia groups, many of which are KKK-ish in nature, will be deputized as U.S. Marshals, to "keep the peace." U.S. Marshals have the power to go up to your local city hall, and tell everybody what to do, including the mayor and the police, as well as any public utilities or transportation. And with as many troops as we have overseas, this scenario is quite likely if any "emergency" were to happen, whether inflicted by terrorists or "terrorists." Scary, huh?

You guys should also look up the "Coalition for a New American Century" document. You can read it right on the U.S. Gov't's own website, under the Freedom of Information Act. It's dry and boring, but if you actually read it, get ready to be horrified.

MR

I don't suppose you've got any links to any of that?

Incidentally, I think you meant Project for a New American Century. And I'm pretty sure that most of the people who post here are perfectly aware of who they are, and what they wrote.

Coalition for a New American Century is a campaign to improve working conditions and wages for hotel workers around the Century Boulevard area near LAX.

skeptik

New Orleans, LA

February 2004

JUN 05, 2007 08:41 PM

Faster is always better. What else do you need to know about it?

Postblank

New Brunswick, NJ

June 2004

JUN 05, 2007 08:53 PM

Cigarette said:

evanharos said:
if a major terrorist attack were to occur, say another 911 or even another Hurricane Katrina...

Who perpetrated the Katrina attack? Al Qaeda? Dr. Wily? God?

If you analyze the high speed film of Katrina breaking the levees at the 04:52:31 mark you can distinctly see the waves being driven by Quick Man's boomerangs.

MrCrisp said:
wow, i just got into an argument with my republican roommate about this.

him: "so that means, if he bypasses the 3-branch system that he can make decisions faster."
me: "yeah, but it's more complex than that."
him: "how is it more complex? it's faster."
me: "there's more to it than it just being faster."
him: "didn't you just agree that it was faster?"
me: "yes, it's faster, but that's not all."
him: "what the fuck are you talking about? how could it be more than that?"
me: "'bypassing' the 3-branch system is basically ignoring the constitution and the democratic process to put himself in complete control of the government. that's a dictatorship, isn't it?"
him: "yeah, but it's faster."
me: "fine, yeah, it's faster, but there's more."
him (yelling now): "how can there be more to it if it's faster? who cares about anything else? it's faster! he gets to do what he wants, what's so bad about that?"
me: "you're completely missing the point!"
him: "no, you are! it's faster, what else does it matter?"

holy shit, are all republicans this simpleminded and obnoxious?

"Master Shake says books are the devil and tv is twice as fast."
"Twice as fast at what?"
"...Knowledge."

browngirl

Philadelphia, PA

April 2007

JUN 05, 2007 11:07 PM

if this article had been researched better and written in a more objective fashion, would it still be relevant enough to warrant discussion? if we are going to rush to snap judgments based on information we haven't required the author to back up with actual facts, then does it matter if we're under a dictatorship or not? we'll believe anything we're told so in a way we've already given up our rights (who needs free thought?).

p.s. - haha zarth, nobody listens to you...

semiretiredpunk

USA

March 2007

JUN 08, 2007 12:36 AM

emotedcreations said:
Despite Zarth's well reasoned response:

So, I'm wondering when Colin Powell and some democrats will have enough, and stab Bush to shreds on the floor of the Senate. Now that'd be some entertainment.

"The plebes love to watch us fight. It's cheaper than theatre, and the blood is real." -Brutus, on "Rome" (possibly paraphrased)

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