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Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JUN 01, 2007 12:21 AM



Everyone meets their boyfriend/girlfriend/significant other/orgy partner/drummer on the Internet. It’s ubiquitous. Hell, I met my special ladyfriend on this very Web site. And let’s be honest, if ‘Brosa’s doing it, that means it’s officially hip. Or something.

And what’s the nation's most visible online dating service? Why it’s uber-Christian powersite eHarmony.com! I mean, who doesn’t love their oh-so-descriptive commercials?

Yes, my friends! Get matched based on who you really are. And who you really are is totally NOT an eLesbian. Trust eUs. We know because eHarmony does not allow customers to use its service if they do not meet certain pre-existing eCriteria. If you don’t, you’re eShit out of eLuck.

Apparently, some uppity Bay Area homosexuals aren’t feeling the eLove.

A lawsuit alleging discrimination based on sexual orientation was filed in Los Angeles Superior Court on behalf of Linda Carlson, who was denied access to eHarmony because she is gay.

Lawyers bringing the action said they believed it was the first lawsuit of its kind against eHarmony, which has long rankled the gay community with its failure to offer a "men seeking men" or "women seeking women" option.

They were seeking to make it a class action lawsuit on behalf of gays and lesbians excluded from the dating service.
[…]
According to the lawsuit, Carlson, who lives in the San Francisco Bay area, tried to use the site's dating services in February 2007. When she was denied access, she wrote to eHarmony saying that its anti-gay policy was discriminatory under California law but the company refused to change it.

"Such outright discrimination is hurtful and disappointing for a business open to the public in this day and age," she said.

Carlson's lawyer Todd Schneider said the lawsuit was "about changing the landscape and making a statement out there that gay people, just like heterosexuals, have the right and desire to meet other people with whom they can fall in love."


God, why do the gays always have to ruin everyone else’s fun? Just because a bunch of good, straight, Christian folks want to get together in a pure, untainted space on the intertubes and talk amongst themselves about not having sex until Jesus says they can doesn’t mean that anything wrong has happened, right? It’s not like there’s any law against discriminating against the queers, is there?

California Civil Code Sec. 51, Unruh Civil Rights Act

(a) This section shall be known, and may be cited, as the Unruh Civil Rights Act.

(b) All persons within the jurisdiction of this state are free and equal, and no matter what their sex, race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, medical condition, marital status, or sexual orientation are entitled to the full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities, privileges, or services in all business establishments of every kind whatsoever.


Oh. Well then. Curse California for going the extra mile to attempt to ensure that their citizens are treated fairly!

Anyway, eHarmony’s not having any of this ghey “Unruh” stuff and is relying in part upon the power of limited resources to safeguard them against possible liability.

The company said the allegations of discrimination against gays were false and reckless.

"The research that eHarmony has developed, through years of research, to match couples has been based on traits and personality patterns of successful heterosexual marriages," it said in a statement.

"Nothing precludes us from providing same-sex matching in the future. It's just not a service we offer now based upon the research we have conducted," eHarmony added.


Yeah, we’ll see the man-on-man eHarmony commercials when eMonkeys fly out of my eKiester. Besides, the fact that eHarmony may at some point add same-sex matching in no way excludes them from Unruh requirements. That argument is the rough equivalent of a whites-only lunch counter asserting that because it’s theoretically possible for them to serve blacks, they shouldn’t have to comply with the Civil Rights Act. It's not a winner.

We shall see where this suit leads, but eHarmony could be eFucked.

Subrosa’s father met his current fiancé on eHarmony. True fact.

yeahrightjosue

yeahrightjosue

Boston, MA
February 2007

JUN 01, 2007 06:16 AM

So...what I don't get is why she didn't just go try out another website.
DId she really have to take it this far?

Theres a bunch of websites out there she could have went to, to meet new people.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

JUN 01, 2007 06:19 AM

Subrosa said:
Oh. Well then. Curse California for going the extra mile to attempt to ensure that their citizens are treated fairly!



You call it going the extra mile...I call it going a little too far.

Come on, now...you're comparing an internet dating site's omission of m4m & w4w to Jim Crow laws?!

fentopal

fentopal

Denver, CO
July 2003

JUN 01, 2007 06:20 AM

Hasn't eHarmony already been called out for categorizing atheists as "undatable"?

Hunter

Hunter

SUICIDEGIRL

New York, USA

JUN 01, 2007 06:22 AM

you know what else? back in my darkest days when I was trying these dating services, eHarmony said they couldn't help me either...I thought it odd at the time, but now I'm pretty sure it's cause I'm an atheist. No joke! Or to put it their way: religion is "not at all" important in my life.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JUN 01, 2007 06:24 AM

Cash said:

Subrosa said:
Oh. Well then. Curse California for going the extra mile to attempt to ensure that their citizens are treated fairly!



You call it going the extra mile...I call it going a little too far.

Come on, now...you're comparing an internet dating site's omission of m4m & w4w to Jim Crow laws?!


No. What you quoted was Subrosa's response to this:

All persons within the jurisdiction of this state are free and equal, and no matter what their sex, race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, medical condition, marital status, or sexual orientation are entitled to the full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities, privileges, or services in all business establishments of every kind whatsoever.


I'm really not sure how anyone could call that law "going too far." It seems reasonable to me. You can't refuse to serve someone because they're gay, or black, or Muslim, or in a wheelchair.

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

JUN 01, 2007 06:26 AM

Homosexuals can do the exact same thing as anyone else on eHarmony. They're not being barred from using it. They're simply not being offered the particular service they want. I think yr analogy is misleading, Brosa; it's more like saying SuicideGirls discriminates against gay men because it doesn't publish pictures of guys.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

JUN 01, 2007 06:27 AM

PointBlank said:
No. What you quoted was Subrosa's response to this:

All persons within the jurisdiction of this state are free and equal, and no matter what their sex, race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, medical condition, marital status, or sexual orientation are entitled to the full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities, privileges, or services in all business establishments of every kind whatsoever.




No. What I was referencing was Subrosa's comment made here:


That argument is the rough equivalent of a whites-only lunch counter asserting that because it's theoretically possible for them to serve blacks, they shouldn't have to comply with the Civil Rights Act. It's not a winner.

Bastardo

Bastardo

Boston, MA
January 2005

JUN 01, 2007 06:31 AM

Subrosa said:

Subrosa's father met his current fiancé on eHarmony. True fact.



Shut. Up.

attn_ho

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

JUN 01, 2007 06:32 AM

yeahrightjosue said:
So...what I don't get is why she didn't just go try out another website.
DId she really have to take it this far?

Theres a bunch of websites out there she could have went to, to meet new people.



i see this attitude a lot, but i dont understand it.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JUN 01, 2007 06:35 AM

Cigarette said:
Homosexuals can do the exact same thing as anyone else on eHarmony. They're not being barred from using it. They're simply not being offered the particular service they want. I think yr analogy is misleading, Brosa; it's more like saying SuicideGirls discriminates against gay men because it doesn't publish pictures of guys.


And that's an argument that eHarmony is sure to make and is a stronger position than the one quoted in the article. When I made that analogy, I was referring to the line of reasoning of that particular argument.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JUN 01, 2007 06:37 AM

Bastardo said:

Subrosa said:

Subrosa's father met his current fiancé on eHarmony. True fact.



Shut. Up.



No, no. Seriously. He'd run out of chicks to get engaged to on BigChurch.com, so he went mainstream.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JUN 01, 2007 06:37 AM

Cash said:

PointBlank said:
No. What you quoted was Subrosa's response to this:

All persons within the jurisdiction of this state are free and equal, and no matter what their sex, race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, medical condition, marital status, or sexual orientation are entitled to the full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities, privileges, or services in all business establishments of every kind whatsoever.




No. What I was referencing was Subrosa's comment made here:


That argument is the rough equivalent of a whites-only lunch counter asserting that because it's theoretically possible for them to serve blacks, they shouldn't have to comply with the Civil Rights Act. It's not a winner.



Odd that you quoted something totally different then.

And what he says is 100% correct. The argument that eHarmony is making: that they "could provide the service" is total bullshit.

Bastardo

Bastardo

Boston, MA
January 2005

JUN 01, 2007 06:41 AM

Subrosa said:

Bastardo said:

Subrosa said:

Subrosa's father met his current fiancé on eHarmony. True fact.



Shut. Up.



No, no. Seriously. He'd run out of chicks to get engaged to on BigChurch.com, so he went mainstream.


Have we met the lucky lady yet? Is she truly eHarmonious?

sexnroc

sexnroc

Azerbaijan
June 2006

JUN 01, 2007 06:44 AM

I don't know about the christian thing...I took part in the great social experiment for a couple of months and got laid by an equal opportunity athiest.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

JUN 01, 2007 06:45 AM

PointBlank said:
Odd that you quoted something totally different then.



Where Subrosa said:


Oh. Well then. Curse California for going the extra mile to attempt to ensure that their citizens are treated fairly!



My response was:


You call it going the extra mile...I call it going a little too far.



I also saw that he wrote:


That argument is the rough equivalent of a whites-only lunch counter asserting that because it's theoretically possible for them to serve blacks, they shouldn't have to comply with the Civil Rights Act. It's not a winner.



Though I did not directly quote that portion in my response...I did reply with:


Come on, now...you're comparing an internet dating site's omission of m4m & w4w to Jim Crow laws?!




I fail to see what's "odd" here.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JUN 01, 2007 06:47 AM

Bastardo said:

Subrosa said:

Bastardo said:

Subrosa said:

Subrosa's father met his current fiancé on eHarmony. True fact.



Shut. Up.



No, no. Seriously. He'd run out of chicks to get engaged to on BigChurch.com, so he went mainstream.


Have we met the lucky lady yet? Is she truly eHarmonious?



She's eHappy to be marrying my Dad, so that's a plus. And yeah, I met her once before he told me (via response to an evite I'd sent him) that they were engaged. My dad's an... interesting guy.

I think they're getting married in an evangelical megachurch. I'm stoked.

MistressMissy

mistressmissy

Grand Rapids, MI
March 2003

JUN 01, 2007 06:49 AM

Nope. Stick to SG for helping your find 'The One'

Anguz

Anguz

United Kingdom
May 2006

JUN 01, 2007 06:50 AM

What a lot of people are forgetting is that there are a lot of websites out there that cater specifically to the homosxual community. I am al for equality, but it pisses me off when people kick up a stink because sites like eHarmony don't offer a service to homosexuals yet sites like Gaydar are perfectly at liberty to say "Tough shit, you're straight!" See if I had been Linda Carlson, rather than run to my lawyer like a petulant child screaming "Mommy, mommy, they won't let me play" I would have realised this presents a valid and obviously in demand business idea. Of course, expecting a little initiative from someone in a minority group as opposed to expecting them to use it as yet another opportunity for them to whine and complain about how hard life is because they're different is like waiting for Bush to grow a brain cell. And for the record, I am bi, before you all go "Oooooh you homophobic asshole!"

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JUN 01, 2007 06:51 AM

sexnroc said:
I don't know about the christian thing...I took part in the great social experiment for a couple of months and got laid by an equal opportunity athiest.



Really? Are you an atheist too? Did you have to pretend to be a Godly man to get on the site?

Also, how was the sex? Was it "better than everything you've ever dreamed of"? Was it eMindblowing?

Consider my interest piqued.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JUN 01, 2007 06:56 AM

Angus said:
And for the record, I am bi, before you all go "Oooooh you homophobic asshole!"



Well, I wasn't going to call you a homophobe or an asshole, but then you posted this:

Of course, expecting a little initiative from someone in a minority group as opposed to expecting them to use it as yet another opportunity for them to whine and complain about how hard life is because they're different is like waiting for Bush to grow a brain cell.


And I'll just settle on "asshole". Seriously? No one in "minority group(s)" have any initiative?

It must just be so hard to be living as a white man in Americ... er, Britain. All the lazy minority groups whining about shit all the time.

ninetysevencents

ninetysevencents

Rochester, NY
August 2003

JUN 01, 2007 06:56 AM

attn_ho said:

yeahrightjosue said:
So...what I don't get is why she didn't just go try out another website.
DId she really have to take it this far?

Theres a bunch of websites out there she could have went to, to meet new people.


i see this attitude a lot, but i dont understand it.


I think the idea behind that thought is that you don't go to KFC for a Big Mac.

But yeah, there's totally a difference between going to KFC but not getting a Big Mac because they don't offer that service and going to McDonald's but not getting Big Mac because they don't offer that service if you're too gay.

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

JUN 01, 2007 06:57 AM

Subrosa said:

Cigarette said:
Homosexuals can do the exact same thing as anyone else on eHarmony. They're not being barred from using it. They're simply not being offered the particular service they want. I think yr analogy is misleading, Brosa; it's more like saying SuicideGirls discriminates against gay men because it doesn't publish pictures of guys.


And that's an argument that eHarmony is sure to make and is a stronger position than the one quoted in the article. When I made that analogy, I was referring to the line of reasoning of that particular argument.



What's the point of coming to the CE board if yr just going to concede the point? frown

ValCapone

ValCapone

Montreal, QC
June 2005

JUN 01, 2007 06:57 AM

Um... eHarmony is an optional experience. How exactly do they plan on winning this lawsuit? If people were being forced to join, or it was the only option for online dating or something, sure, I could see it being an issue. As is, you can choose not to enroll. Personally, I think eHarmony needs to tone down their Christian themes, but that's their schtick. It's also a site that's about MATCHING FOR LIFE, i.e. MARRIAGE, so if you're not a person who's into that scene, you won't get much out of it. Does that mean we swingers and non-traditional gender role types should sue as well? No, it means you need to find a different dating site that better matches your "type."

Besides, if it's about "scientifically matching" people, they should start their own--ch-CHING!

Harleen

Harleen

United Kingdom
June 2005

JUN 01, 2007 06:58 AM

Angus said:
What a lot of people are forgetting is that there are a lot of websites out there that cater specifically to the homosxual community. I am al for equality, but it pisses me off when people kick up a stink because sites like eHarmony don't offer a service to homosexuals yet sites like Gaydar are perfectly at liberty to say "Tough shit, you're straight!" See if I had been Linda Carlson, rather than run to my lawyer like a petulant child screaming "Mommy, mommy, they won't let me play" I would have realised this presents a valid and obviously in demand business idea. Of course, expecting a little initiative from someone in a minority group as opposed to expecting them to use it as yet another opportunity for them to whine and complain about how hard life is because they're different is like waiting for Bush to grow a brain cell. And for the record, I am bi, before you all go "Oooooh you homophobic asshole!"



This was my initial thought too.

I was turned away from a gay website because I am bi.
It was very much 'it's good that you like girls, but boys too? Freak. I don't think so'.

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