pariah002 said:
Well Zarth and saltonsea it is all what you see on a daily basis.
See, I may be in the FORMER Yugoslavia, but there is no more Yugoslavia. I work as a security contractor in Kosovo, which is a Muslim place. I see what is happening here. But SG does not have listings for Serbia, Kosovo and such.
They had a mosque named after Bin Laden until after months of pressure they renamed it.
And don't get me wrong, many many Muslims are peaceful, just like many Christians are peaceful.
Someone once said something along the lines of "not all Muslims are terrorists but 99% of terrorists are Muslims".
And again, didn't care who I offended with all this. The Muslim extremists are master recruiters and manipulators. They spread their influence like crazy and don't care. Tell me how you reason with people that are willing to kill their own children?
Read the history of Persia and when the Shaw of Iran was coming up. Burning the eyes out of children and on and on.
Like I said, no religion is innocent but the Muslim extremists lead the pack.
And again, I could care less if you agree with me or not or if you think I am ignorant or not.
horrible attempt at backtracking.
and if you actually knew your history, you would know that abhorrent religious practices and actions (in scale or gruesomeness) is not unique to Islam or it's fundamentalists.
Even today there are other religions that commit equally nefarious acts, but with much less publicity.
Yes, Islamic (or any) fundamentalism is disturbing.
No, that is not what your original comment stated or implied.
No, you didn't offend me. I am not a Muslim.
Yes, I most definately think your views are ignorant.
Not quite sure where I was backtracking or attempting to backtrack.
you catagorised Islam, and all predominantly muslim areas as violent hotbeds of bloodlust; and that if we just "stepped out of our 'safe' lives" and moved to any muslim area, we would no longer think peace, love, tolerance and reasoning exist.
And then on your second go, tried to thinly disguise your prejudice by adding the standard "don't get me wrong...blah blah blah" save.
I have spent the better part of 3 years of my life living in and protecting Muslims. I have watched them kill each other and kill anyone else they see fit. I have protected these people (all be it for a paycheck, whoring myself and my skills out for a dollar) to have them spit on me among other things much worse. I work security with a Muslim from Africa and he is as cool as can be and he can't stand most other people of Islam.
I am well versed in history and am against all religions based on the fact that they commit some of the worst crimes in the world and it is dangerous because they believe god makes them right.
I know other religions do bad shit, all religions do bad shit, based on god, which makes it right.
It is things like this: http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/trailer-12min.php
that worry me. It is all what you have seen. I have had the pleasure of watching the worst side of Islam and don't see it getting better. I don't see the outrage in the Muslim community. I have seen churches here burned to the ground while crowds stood and cheered.
I could tell you endless horror stories from the hands of Islam.
i don't fucking care what you've done or what movies you've watched. You're still applying your personal view, of a specific (war-torn and deeply secular) area, as characteristic of Islam and it's communities; and in an incredibly bigoted fashion.
Think I am ignorant, fine. But I am not backtracking, I am just adding more to my comments.
ok, i will.
We all see the world differently, I have just had the pleasure of living many of my years dealing with the absolute worst of humanity. Maybe that is why I am ignorant.
pariah002 said:
Well Zarth and saltonsea it is all what you see on a daily basis.
See, I may be in the FORMER Yugoslavia, but there is no more Yugoslavia. I work as a security contractor in Kosovo, which is a Muslim place. I see what is happening here. But SG does not have listings for Serbia, Kosovo and such.
They had a mosque named after Bin Laden until after months of pressure they renamed it.
And don't get me wrong, many many Muslims are peaceful, just like many Christians are peaceful.
Someone once said something along the lines of "not all Muslims are terrorists but 99% of terrorists are Muslims".
And again, didn't care who I offended with all this. The Muslim extremists are master recruiters and manipulators. They spread their influence like crazy and don't care. Tell me how you reason with people that are willing to kill their own children?
Read the history of Persia and when the Shaw of Iran was coming up. Burning the eyes out of children and on and on.
Like I said, no religion is innocent but the Muslim extremists lead the pack.
And again, I could care less if you agree with me or not or if you think I am ignorant or not.
horrible attempt at backtracking.
and if you actually knew your history, you would know that abhorrent religious practices and actions (in scale or gruesomeness) is not unique to Islam or it's fundamentalists.
Even today there are other religions that commit equally nefarious acts, but with much less publicity.
Yes, Islamic (or any) fundamentalism is disturbing.
No, that is not what your original comment stated or implied.
No, you didn't offend me. I am not a Muslim.
Yes, I most definately think your views are ignorant.
Not quite sure where I was backtracking or attempting to backtrack.
you catagorised Islam, and all predominantly muslim areas as violent hotbeds of bloodlust; and that if we just "stepped out of our 'safe' lives" and moved to any muslim area, we would no longer think peace, love, tolerance and reasoning exist.
And then on your second go, tried to thinly disguise your prejudice by adding the standard "don't get me wrong...blah blah blah" save.
I have spent the better part of 3 years of my life living in and protecting Muslims. I have watched them kill each other and kill anyone else they see fit. I have protected these people (all be it for a paycheck, whoring myself and my skills out for a dollar) to have them spit on me among other things much worse. I work security with a Muslim from Africa and he is as cool as can be and he can't stand most other people of Islam.
I am well versed in history and am against all religions based on the fact that they commit some of the worst crimes in the world and it is dangerous because they believe god makes them right.
I know other religions do bad shit, all religions do bad shit, based on god, which makes it right.
It is things like this: http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/trailer-12min.php
that worry me. It is all what you have seen. I have had the pleasure of watching the worst side of Islam and don't see it getting better. I don't see the outrage in the Muslim community. I have seen churches here burned to the ground while crowds stood and cheered.
I could tell you endless horror stories from the hands of Islam.
i don't fucking care what you've done or what movies you've watched. You're still applying your personal view, of a specific (war-torn and deeply secular) area, as characteristic of Islam and it's communities; and in an incredibly bigoted fashion.
Think I am ignorant, fine. But I am not backtracking, I am just adding more to my comments.
ok, i will.
We all see the world differently, I have just had the pleasure of living many of my years dealing with the absolute worst of humanity. Maybe that is why I am ignorant.
Most likely.
First off, don't call me a bigot. I could make this money doing this work anywhere else, but I have done it helping people of Islam. And you don't know shit enough about me to accuse me of being a bigot based on one set of posting. The amount of good I have done for people of Islam is ridiculous, stuff I don't have to do.
You want me to categorize you based off you couple of posting and a few things you said?
I never said violent hotbeds of bloodlust.
And I stand by the fact that, not just in Islam, but most of the world, if you step out of our safe lives you have a more fucked view of humanity.
It is my view to not trust Islam and view radical Islam as a tremendous threat to this world.
And like I have said, I dislike all religion (or is that more backtracking)?
But that's okay. Fine. Live your life, believe your believes but don't insult me based off a few lines when you know shit about me or me life.
pariah002 said:
First off, don't call me a bigot. I could make this money doing this work anywhere else, but I have done it helping people of Islam. And you don't know shit enough about me to accuse me of being a bigot based on one set of posting. The amount of good I have done for people of Islam is ridiculous, stuff I don't have to do.
Ah the white man's burden.
You want me to categorize you based off you couple of posting and a few things you said?
I never said violent hotbeds of bloodlust.
And I stand by the fact that, not just in Islam, but most of the world, if you step out of our safe lives you have a more fucked view of humanity.
Yes and if you live in a cesspool you think everything is shit. Problem is the world is not a cesspool and your fucked view of humanity is skewed.
It is my view to not trust Islam and view radical Islam as a tremendous threat to this world.
The difference between Islam and radical Islam is that one is radical. Get it? They are not the same.
And like I have said, I dislike all religion (or is that more backtracking)?
But that's okay. Fine. Live your life, believe your believes but don't insult me based off a few lines when you know shit about me or me life.
I don't like religion either. But religion is not people. It is a mistake - as you are pointing out to our mutual friend here - to judge people based on one or two characteristics.
First, I must say, good post. Good responses. ^^^^
Yes and if you live in a cesspool you think everything is shit. Problem is the world is not a cesspool and your fucked view of humanity is skewed.
Absolutely, and I guess it is sad, but most of my life has been living in a cesspool. I have very little faith or trust in humanity. I have just seen too much of the evil that humanity does and far too little of the good. Maybe that is why I try to help people that want help.
The difference between Islam and radical Islam is that one is radical. Get it? They are not the same.
I know they are not the same. The problem I have is no matter where I have been where there is Islam. I mean, no matter how peaceful, no matter, radical Islam is always there recruiting, influencing, intimidating, etc. And they always have converts, always. That is my problem. Radical Islam has their shit together. They know how to recruit, they know how to influence, they know how to get people to believe them.
And like I have said, I dislike all religion (or is that more backtracking)?
But that's okay. Fine. Live your life, believe your believes but don't insult me based off a few lines when you know shit about me or me life.
I don't like religion either. But religion is not people. It is a mistake - as you are pointing out to our mutual friend here - to judge people based on one or two characteristics.
I dislike most people also, but that again falls back on the cesspool thing.
i didn't call you a bigot. I said you presented your views in a bigoted fashion. i.e., intolerant and prejudiced. Which they are.
I could make this money doing this work anywhere else, but I have done it helping people of Islam. And you don't know shit enough about me to accuse me of being a bigot based on one set of posting. The amount of good I have done for people of Islam is ridiculous, stuff I don't have to do.
you could be the LAPD's white Mother Teresa of South Central, and your prejudiced view will still be a prejudiced veiw.
You want me to categorize you based off you couple of posting and a few things you said?
you could. but it would be pretty silly.
I never said violent hotbeds of bloodlust.
You posted two incredibly ignorant and bigoted quotes that characterized Islam as violent, and all Muslims as void of reason; Then you went on to say that if we moved to a Muslim community, we would see that peace, love, tolerance and reasoning does not exist.
But you are right....i should not paraphrase.
And I stand by the fact that, not just in Islam, but most of the world, if you step out of our safe lives you have a more fucked view of humanity.
Life is safe nowhere. I could walk outside into the downtown area of my city, and gain a more fucked up view of humanity.
But, much like the world, i could walk in the opposite direction and find opposite things. Just cause humanity is fucked in the downtown area, doesn't mean everyone in the city will stab you over a cigarette.
It is my view to not trust Islam and view radical Islam as a tremendous threat to this world.
Granted. But you have to realise they are two separate things. And despite your personal experience, there is always a majority you have not seen.
You cannot condemn the entirety of one of the biggest communities in this world, based on your limited ill-experience.
And it is fine to have your view. But once you publicly declare that view, it is open for debate.
And like I have said, I dislike all religion (or is that more backtracking)?
But that's okay. Fine. Live your life, believe your believes but don't insult me based off a few lines when you know shit about me or me life.
I took great care to make sure that my responses were directed at the view expressed in your original post, and not you personally.
I have said all i have to say. Otherwise, NickFaust summed everything up nicely.
saltonsea
Toronto, ON
July 2004
APR 22, 2007 05:08 PM