rileycat said:
yup, that's the same one. i pretty much take what everyone says with a grain of salt (like i said...i'm not a big fan of the human race ) that said, it's a bit unfair to completely dismiss his ideas.
I don't dismiss his ideas out of hand -- I even agree with some of them, if perhaps not with his fervor. However, he has a history of making pronouncements that have no measurable relationship with reality. Therefore, I do not consider him a reliable source.
the first earth day back in 1970 brought together 25 milion people. that's an impressive number and you have to realize that if it had not been for much of his work (clean air and water act), the US would be in a much worse state than it is today(i mean geezus, back then there was a river on fire from pollution...)
No arguments there. However, it's a different issue than the reliability of his facts and predictions, which is atrocious.
and i didn't mean to imply that you didn't know the meaning of carrying capicity... i readily concede that it's more than likely that you know more than i about the state of the environment and environmental/ecological vernacular (like is said, i prefer animals to plants...especially cats...and penguins) but in my relatively short life and with EVERYTHING i've ever read, i've just come to believe that...well, in general, humans suck...they've sucked in the past, they're sucky in the present and they will reach whole new levels of suckiness in the future
I agree with that sentiment about half the time... but I'm a humanist almost despite myself. I'm kinda fond of humans and at least some of our accomplishments, and I'm particularly fond a fair number of humans. Real, lasting solutions to our environmental problems need to come from a humanist perspective, and respect the existing patterns of people's lives. It requires a bit less ideology, a fair bit of technology development, and a lot of creative problem solving, but it can be done and it must be done.
(p.s. i only reason i brought up Gaylord Nelson is because i attended that MANDATORY panel discussion last wednesday so his name was fresh in my mind....
A mandatory panel discussion featuring the predictions of a man with a record or predictions that only a telephone psychic would envy? Ouch.
James - I'm right there with you. I agree that the layout of the suburbs and the structure of society in the last 50 years is the primary problem, and the high sulfur diesel we have is the major impediment to the next gen of clean euro diesel engines.
Taxing things exessively (without other major changes) almost never changes behavior.
PS - Philly has virtually no streetcar service anymore, i'm sorry to report.
but someone please tell what the point is driving a huge SUV in the middle of downtown?
I'm a freelance soundtech, when the work arises. I personally drive an SUV because it's the only type of car that can hold all of the video, audio, and lighting equpiment while seating a cameraman, audio tech, producer, and ocassional talent. I think a lot of people drive them because they need to haul shit. Although I'm sure there are plenty of people who just like big cars. Oh, and my car is a 99' with 20,000 miles on it.
when you're hauling shit, then you need a car that fit the stuff into, but i doubt most SUVs are used for that purpose. most of the times i see someone in an SUV, they're alone in there and i don't notice any stuff in the back that they might be transporting, so it seems to me that for the most part SUVs are just a phallic symbol for guys who want people to think they're all tough and macho.
I've seen more women driving the suvs around here, actually. That argument could be used against 98% of the vehicles sold today. Most of the time, nobody needs more than 1 seat, maybe 2, and a small amount of luggage capacity. A 1991 Honda CRX HF hatch (42 mpg in the real world) would work fine. People buy what they want, because the capability to carry more, or to have 4wd when needed, or go faster, (or whatever) is worth the downsides.
I borrow a pickup truck when i need to use one, because i don't want to put up with the crappy handling, lack of extra seating and poor ride every day. That's why i drive a sedan.
s5 said: didn't everyone haul stuff around before SUVs were everywhere?
The nice thing about an SUV (I don't drive one; I drive a pickup) is that you can haul buttloads of stuff or buttloads of people. This is useful to a lot of people. However, a large majority of SUVs seem to be a case of materialist dick sizing.
In my day, we used to get ten gallons for 5 cents! And the attendant would check your tire pressure, your oil, and your windshield wiper fluid to boot!
damon
New York, NY
September 2002
MAR 09, 2003 11:45 AM