tryphcycle said:
English SHOULD be the official language...GET OVER IT! And for ANY immigrant that wants to become a citizen, speaking English fluently should be absolutely mandatory! We should NOT be teaching hispanic immigrant students in spanish because thats all they understand.... they NEED to learn ENGLISH in order to COMMUNICATE!!!!! so... yea... i agree with the full imersion concept that Newt is talking about!
if you want to learn another language... or want to speak your native language thats fine. but road signs, public documents, SCHOOL BOOKS are in english.... LEARN IT!
that is the language of our american society! WE CAN NOT CATTER TO EVERY MINORITY! EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL, SPECIAL RIGHTS FOR NO ONE!
You know what's hilarious?
People ranting in English that's riddled with bad spelling and atrocious grammar and maddeningly awful punctuation and screamingly obvious mis-capitalizations about how everyone else needs to suck it up and learn English.
It's just hysterical!
See!? That's what I was envisioning! And then it HAPPENED! Outstanding.
I feel like I should get a black belt in SG or something. I think I've mastered the art.
See!? That's what I was envisioning! And then it HAPPENED! Outstanding.
I feel like I should get a black belt in SG or something. I think I've mastered the art.
I think what you've mastered is The Secret, actually. What was that Law of Attraction bit? If you think hard enough about the things you want, they will come to you, or some shit? You've got it!
See!? That's what I was envisioning! And then it HAPPENED! Outstanding.
I feel like I should get a black belt in SG or something. I think I've mastered the art.
I think what you've mastered is The Secret, actually. What was that Law of Attraction bit? If you think hard enough about the things you want, they will come to you, or some shit? You've got it!
I'm visualizing someone else not reading any of the thread up to this point and calling Newt Gingrich an awesome presidential candidate and a genius within the next two pages.
Look.... i am not sure what you are getting your panties in a bunch for! Seriously. i am not saying ALL other languages other than english should be band! I am just saying.... having a standard lanuage, so that we don't have to waste so much time making every little special interest group happy is FINE. i am not a racest, i am not a gay basher, i am not a redneck, nor am i a bible banger!
And... i could care LESS about canada's "standard language" I live in oregon... and thats were i am going to stay!
Not to beat a dead horse, but your English sucks.
Your spelling is shit and your punctuation makes my skin crawl.
I have just one more tip to share with you . . .
Even ignoring the fact that Newt doesn't follow his own rules (his own fucking webpage is available En Espanol, too!), and even ignoring whether there's a good reason to force people to learn one of the shittiest languages ever, this is still a bad idea.
A goodly chunk of native-born Americans, who know English as their first language, aren't fluent in it. How the fuck can we demand it of immigrants -- especially given that, since this law would only affect legal immigrants, those are people who have legitimate reasons to be here already?
tryphcycle said:
English SHOULD be the official language...GET OVER IT! And for ANY immigrant that wants to become a citizen, speaking English fluently should be absolutely mandatory! We should NOT be teaching hispanic immigrant students in spanish because thats all they understand.... they NEED to learn ENGLISH in order to COMMUNICATE!!!!! so... yea... i agree with the full imersion concept that Newt is talking about!
if you want to learn another language... or want to speak your native language thats fine. but road signs, public documents, SCHOOL BOOKS are in english.... LEARN IT!
that is the language of our american society! WE CAN NOT CATTER TO EVERY MINORITY! EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL, SPECIAL RIGHTS FOR NO ONE!
You know what's hilarious?
People ranting in English that's riddled with bad spelling and atrocious grammar and maddeningly awful punctuation and screamingly obvious mis-capitalizations about how everyone else needs to suck it up and learn English.
It's just hysterical!
My favourite was the one where he misspelled "racist" three different ways in two sentences. Or was "CATTER" the more amusing one? Tough call.
To be fair, though, his postion isn't inherently racist, even if a near-majority of the people who hold it are. Many city-dwellers find it frustrating having to deal, often, with waiters or cab-drivers who can't communicate with you well enough to take your order or understand where you want to go. I agree that ballots should be as multilingual as possible, but everyone should know enough English to be able to understand "No Parking after 7pm except on Sundays" or "Danger! Do not smoke near this tank" .
BGage said:
Many city-dwellers find it frustrating having to deal, often, with waiters or cab-drivers who can't communicate with you well enough to take your order or understand where you want to go. I agree that ballots should be as multilingual as possible, but everyone should know enough English to be able to understand "No Parking after 7pm except on Sundays" or "Danger! Do not smoke near this tank" .
I don't think anybody owes you the type of service you expect. What if they choose to cater to an expat community?
There used to be a bartender in San Francisco who was known for being brusque and rude, and he would only make martinis. If you ordered a beer he'd rip you a new asshole. In English. And you, as a potential customer, had the choice of whether you would go there and put up with him or not. People who "got" him found him endearing.
There's an Indian restaurant a couple blocks from me. It's owned by Punjabi people--and I come from a Punjabi background. I find it insulting that they refuse to engage with me in our common language and remain aloof (maybe they're just shy--who knows), so I don't go there...except when I'm really hungry for Punjabi food and don't feel like cooking.
As for the cabbies, yeah, that could be frustrating, but I've taken cabs in parts of the world where I'm not fluent in the local language and I still manage to get where I need to go. Everybody understands simple pointing hand gestures.
And if somebody else has to deal with the consequences of their not understanding warning signs, I don't see what that has to do with you.
Most of my aunts and uncles are not fluent in English. They've been in the US for over 20 years. They're all citizens. They worked in factories until they saved up enough money to buy small businesses. They might get drunk and rowdy sometimes, but for the most part they're law-abiding citizens. This country is a better place because of them. Would it be even better if they were NOT here? That seems to be the implication from the English-Only side.
Subrosa
San Francisco, CA
July 2004
APR 04, 2007 06:26 PM