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coleen

coleen

USA
January 2007

MAR 27, 2007 09:42 PM

This is very strange.

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

MAR 27, 2007 09:42 PM

Neitherspace said:


The fuckwads call themselves the "Students Against Destructive Decisions."



DO these retards not realise that THERES ALREADY A GROUP CALLED S.A.D.D.
Students Aganst Drunk Driving! I mean Jeasus Christ If your going to the trouble of being a wet blanket in your spare time instead of having a life at least come up with an original acronim



Yeah! What fags. What jewwy fags.

SouGei

SouGei

Blackwood, NJ
January 2007

MAR 27, 2007 10:24 PM

They'll just buy cheaper beer. Beer already IS responsible drinking! We drank Everclear & Koolaid in my day! And we liked it!

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

MAR 27, 2007 10:26 PM

aughtstar said:
They'll just buy cheaper beer. Beer already IS responsible drinking! We drank Everclear & Koolaid in my day! And we liked it!



Fuck yeah, I rock the jungle juice with pride. I have an awesome recipe that is like 3 shots per cup. I don't make anymore thogh because the last time I made it, 3 people puked in my room because it's really hard to judge how much you have had

SouthernDJ

SouthernDJ

Duluth, GA
September 2006

MAR 27, 2007 10:44 PM

st_even said:

StarBelliedBoy said:


Uhhhh... You can choose not to smoke near other people pretty easily.



Ever hear of a thing called wind? I hear it's fairly common. Or ventilation systems? Or fans? Or the expansive property of a gas?



Dude! Ever walk into a smoke filled room? Ever looked up how long it takes for a cigarette butt to "biodegrade"? Ever danced with the devil in the pale moon light?

...sorry, got confused for a minute. Been drinking too much overtaxed beer....

killerd

killerd

Spring Lake, NJ
August 2004

MAR 27, 2007 11:06 PM

whats a dollar in 2007, and another in 2008, and another in 2009...all of a sudden a six pack of high life costs 10 bucks in a couple years, and where is that tax money going?

Untimely

Untimely

Chicago, IL
January 2007

MAR 27, 2007 11:58 PM

killerd said:
whats a dollar in 2007, and another in 2008, and another in 2009...all of a sudden a six pack of high life costs 10 bucks in a couple years, and where is that tax money going?



Worse yet: this kind of legislation causes inflation!

Everyone knows that the purchasing power of currency is measured by the amount of beer it can buy.

Moderncutthroat

Moderncutthroat

Philadelphia, PA
May 2006
sterlingsteele

sterlingsteele

San Francisco, CA
November 2003

MAR 28, 2007 02:10 AM

Avery said:
who cares.
its a few more cents.



taxes started the american revolution...(and that was a tax on tea btw) the revolution was lead in part by SAM ADAMS. (brewer patriot) imagine what he would do today if he knew they were going to tax beer...

only a few more cents? that's what they always say.

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Baton Rouge, LA
January 2006

MAR 28, 2007 02:50 AM

OlafTheTroll said:
I think FTR is just doing an experiment here trying to figure out how little of an actual issue is sufficient for getting people at each other's throats.

My prediction: zero.



Dude, you and Morgan should start an SG Psychic Network.



Da hands don' lie!

Greybeard

Greybeard

Los Angeles, CA
December 2006

MAR 28, 2007 03:08 AM

I was born in Bismarck, North Dakota, but the family only stayed there another 4 weeks (US Army life), and I haven't been back. My Mom told me that I didn't open my eyes until we were in Arkansas. Sometimes I've thought of going there, just to take a look, and see where I started from. Now I'm thinking it's good I could get away as quickly as I did.

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

MAR 28, 2007 05:28 AM

sterlingsteele said:
taxes started the american revolution...(and that was a tax on tea btw) the revolution was lead in part by SAM ADAMS. (brewer patriot) imagine what he would do today if he knew they were going to tax beer...



A. It wasn't the taxes that started the revolution, it was the fact that taxes were being levied without the colonies receiving representation in Parliament.
B. It wasn't a tax on tea, specifically, but a tax on imports. As a boycott against the British East India Tea Company, John Hancock then started importing tea without paying the taxes (in effect, smuggling it in) so Parliament made it easier/cheaper for East India Tea to sell it in the colonies. That's what sparked the Boston Tea Party.
C. Samuel Adams would probably be pretty okay with it, since the taxes would be levied by duly elected representatives of his state.

soft_shoulder

soft_shoulder

Madison, WI
May 2006

MAR 28, 2007 11:34 AM

adjunct said:
I tend to lump SADD in with zero tolerance, abstinence only, and other no-fun-stuff movements for young people. Instead of taking a realistic approach toward harm reduction, they ask for complete abstention.

Also, in my personal experience with SADD chapters, kids used their membership in school chapters to cover up their drinking, drug use, and related behavior.



But we are talking college students. Not all college students are kids. In fact, college students that are trying to be the change they want to see in the world are far from just kids.

TommyRocket

TommyRocket

Brooklyn, NY
August 2006

MAR 28, 2007 11:40 AM

i think it's hilarious that an article that said "these kids don't like booze they suck" turned into an intellectual debate!

such is the power of internets.

growing up edge i have a lot to say about positive choices...but taxes? doesn't seem to solve much.

ElizaTheTroll

ElizaTheTroll

Australia
January 2006

MAR 28, 2007 11:57 AM

RudieCantFail said:

OlafTheTroll said:
I think FTR is just doing an experiment here trying to figure out how little of an actual issue is sufficient for getting people at each other's throats.

My prediction: zero.



Dude, you and Morgan should start an SG Psychic Network.



Da hands don' lie!



LOLZ!

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

MAR 28, 2007 11:57 AM

bunnilicious said:

adjunct said:
I tend to lump SADD in with zero tolerance, abstinence only, and other no-fun-stuff movements for young people. Instead of taking a realistic approach toward harm reduction, they ask for complete abstention.

Also, in my personal experience with SADD chapters, kids used their membership in school chapters to cover up their drinking, drug use, and related behavior.



But we are talking college students. Not all college students are kids. In fact, college students that are trying to be the change they want to see in the world are far from just kids.


I'm failing to see the part where they take a realistic approach to harm reduction.

Pilkington

Pilkington

USA
October 2005

MAR 28, 2007 03:54 PM

dp. sorry.

Pilkington

Pilkington

USA
October 2005

MAR 28, 2007 03:54 PM

adjunct said:

bunnilicious said:

adjunct said:
I tend to lump SADD in with zero tolerance, abstinence only, and other no-fun-stuff movements for young people. Instead of taking a realistic approach toward harm reduction, they ask for complete abstention.

Also, in my personal experience with SADD chapters, kids used their membership in school chapters to cover up their drinking, drug use, and related behavior.



But we are talking college students. Not all college students are kids. In fact, college students that are trying to be the change they want to see in the world are far from just kids.


I'm failing to see the part where they take a realistic approach to harm reduction.



The realistic approach is that, in theory, the taxes will go to support programs to help alcoholics and their families.

As someone who had a mother who was an alcoholic, I think this is hugely important. I was abused because of her addiction. A tax to support programs that prevent alcoholism prevents a host of other issues (such as child abuse).

Kleio

Kleio

Winona, MN
January 2006

MAR 28, 2007 05:05 PM

aughtstar said:
They'll just buy cheaper beer. Beer already IS responsible drinking! We drank Everclear & Koolaid in my day! And we liked it!



Exactly. I don't know what everyone is freaking out about.

Then again, I don't think people realize that there are places and times in the Dakotas where you can get a glass of beer for fifty cents.

Folks, booze is cheap out here. It's the one thing that makes this place bearable, and an additional few cents or so is not going to change that.

deathbox_jm

deathbox_jm

West Chester, OH
November 2006

MAR 28, 2007 08:20 PM

StarBelliedBoy said:

deathbox_jm said:
Taxation on any product solves nothing, whether it be tobacco or alcohol. Raising the prices on "killer drugs" like alcohol and tobacco don't prevent people from using them. The only advantage of this kind of taxation is the state gets more money from law abiding citizens. mad



Uhhhhh... yeah, dude, EVERYBODY already knows that. The thing is that they're planning on using the TINY AMOUNT OF money they're hoping to get from law-abiding (and the not-so much ones that are causing the problems) to do something positive to counteract the negative effects of stupid people's actions.


Goddamn you, FTR, you've got us arguing some stupid, stupid shit over NOTHING.



How would taking money from law abiding drinkers counteract drunk driving or destructive behavior? Raising awareness about drinking and driving does have an impact on people's decisions, but only to a point. The information about alcohol's potential danger is already out there, as the link between cancer and tobacco use. The tax on alcohol is won't accomplish anything other than being a pain in the ass to drinkers.

sterlingsteele

sterlingsteele

San Francisco, CA
November 2003

MAR 29, 2007 12:53 AM

cigarette said:
A. It wasn't the taxes that started the revolution, it was the fact that taxes were being levied without the colonies receiving representation in Parliament.
B. It wasn't a tax on tea, specifically, but a tax on imports. As a boycott against the British East India Tea Company, John Hancock then started importing tea without paying the taxes (in effect, smuggling it in) so Parliament made it easier/cheaper for East India Tea to sell it in the colonies. That's what sparked the Boston Tea Party.
C. Samuel Adams would probably be pretty okay with it, since the taxes would be levied by duly elected representatives of his state.



dude i was making a generalization about rediculous taxes in america.

and no, you are wrong. think about it, cause and effect. the british adopted the view that the colonies should pay a substantial portion of the costs of defending the colonies against the threat from France. britain then imposed a series of high taxes (the stamp act and the townshend act) that proved highly unpopular with the colonists and spurred riots in and started the liberty seizure and riots of 1768. had the brits levied reasonable taxes in the first place the revolutionary war might not have ever happened.

oh and sam adams WAS a tax collector who drafted protests against the Stamp Act and called for the colonists to defend their rights and liberties. so he wasn't ok with it. he was the one who organized the boston tea party and other protests against the british.

we spend too much on taxes in the US and the ones we already pay are not spent wisely, but you being 24, would not remember when the pentagon was spending $435 to buy one hammer in the 80's. (pork barrel projects)

we spend 400 BILLION tax dollars on the military annually...thats more than all our enemies on the planet combined. and still we can't buy soldiers body armor in iraq, and we can't win this war. so where is the money going? hmmm?

i responded to someone from canada, at least they get something from their tax dollars...healthcare. if i got heathcare from my tax dollars i might not complain about stupid taxes on beer that should already be covered by other taxes. get it?

soft_shoulder

soft_shoulder

Madison, WI
May 2006

MAR 29, 2007 02:00 PM

Pilkington said:

adjunct said:

bunnilicious said:

adjunct said:
I tend to lump SADD in with zero tolerance, abstinence only, and other no-fun-stuff movements for young people. Instead of taking a realistic approach toward harm reduction, they ask for complete abstention.

Also, in my personal experience with SADD chapters, kids used their membership in school chapters to cover up their drinking, drug use, and related behavior.



But we are talking college students. Not all college students are kids. In fact, college students that are trying to be the change they want to see in the world are far from just kids.


I'm failing to see the part where they take a realistic approach to harm reduction.



The realistic approach is that, in theory, the taxes will go to support programs to help alcoholics and their families.

As someone who had a mother who was an alcoholic, I think this is hugely important. I was abused because of her addiction. A tax to support programs that prevent alcoholism prevents a host of other issues (such as child abuse).



I also have an alcoholic mother and my childhood limboed between the movie Mommy Dearest and book A Child Called It. If it wasn't for programs that educated me on addiction I might have picked up a bottle and turned into my mother. Knowing is half the battle, I have never drank. No one told me not to, but they did educated me enough to allow an informed decision.

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