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3/27/07

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3/25/07

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3/24/07

NEWS: 2007 Constitutional Showdown! [4]

3/24/07

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3/24/07

DC Gun Ban Overturned

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3/23/07

NEWS: Release the Porn! [2]

3/23/07

On a lighter note, Al Franken for Senate [3]

3/22/07

Sorry this is just DAMN funny. [2]

3/22/07

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3/22/07

3/21/07

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3/21/07

Democrats Not Cutting Funding For Iraq War: Why? [2]

3/21/07

NEWS: Battlestar Galactica Coming to Xbox Live

3/21/07

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3/21/07

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3/20/07

NEWS: Sort of Civil War

3/20/07

NEWS: When Jenna Jameson met Dick...Cheney, that is. [2]

3/20/07

NEWS: Tumor V. Pot. Government Picks Tumor. [4]

3/19/07

Global Warming flip side [7]

3/19/07

Vladimir Putin, Plagiarist

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3/19/07

The Genius Factory: genius sperm bank [2]

3/19/07

California Paid Family Leave

3/18/07

Stuck in an Elevator with the President [2]

3/17/07

NEWS: Hideo Kojima Describes Zombie MMO Idea [2]

3/17/07

Ohio proposes special license plate for convicted sex offenders. [10]

3/16/07

NEWS: Wil Wheaton's Geek in Review: WILLIAM FUCKING SHATNER, Part I [4]

3/16/07

NEWS: Prominent Iraq Vet Calls for End to Military Homosexual Policy [4]

3/16/07

Decorated yet suicidal vet, turned away by VA, takes his own life

3/16/07

count the idiots . . .

3/16/07

NEWS: Fuck Dennis Kucinich [4]

3/16/07

Fuckwad Christian... [13]

3/16/07

NEWS: God of War 2: An Eye-Gouging Good Time [2]

3/15/07

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3/15/07

Fox News in Pictures [3]

3/15/07

NEWS: Hugh Hefner, the 44th President of the United States [2]

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3/15/07

Iranians have their panties in a twist over movie 300 [2]

3/14/07

The Wonderful, Openminded World Of Sororities! [3]

3/14/07

Every time you eat a banana, the terrorists win

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lawber

I'm lost

May 2006

MAR 21, 2007 08:53 PM

Didn't Clinton fire all of them in 1993? I wonder why that never got the attention that this one has? Can anyone say liberal media?

Thank GOD for Fox News!!

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA

July 2004

MAR 21, 2007 08:54 PM

DrStinkypants said:
Still butt-hurt on that 2000 recount shoot down are we?

This really has nothing to do with that. At all.

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA

July 2004

MAR 21, 2007 08:59 PM

lawber said:
Didn't Clinton fire all of them in 1993? I wonder why that never got the attention that this one has? Can anyone say liberal media?

Thank GOD for Fox News!!

This has nothing to do with firing US attorneys in the abstract. This is about lying, bad politics and the implication that our executive is actively involved in a systematic policy of obstruction of justice. Clearly, you're not paying attention enough to have picked up any of those nuances. Thanks for playing.

saltonsea

Toronto, ON

July 2004

MAR 21, 2007 09:06 PM

cjensen said:
The President has the power to fire his appointees at any time- they serve at his pleasure. End of story.

florida scores again! ....

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

MAR 21, 2007 09:14 PM

lawber said:
Didn't Clinton fire all of them in 1993? I wonder why that never got the attention that this one has? Can anyone say liberal media?

Thank GOD for Fox News!!

Boy, I'm glad you came in and cleared that up for us. I was really wondering about that.

Okay, seriously though. It's common for a changing of the guard to go on when the Presidency changes hands. What raised eyebrows about these firings was that they happened in the middle of Bush's term in office, what raised suspicion about these was that they were loudly challenged by some of the people who were fired, and what brought the media and the whole thing to a head were e-mails that suggested that Alberto Gonzales had lied about having nothing to do with the firings, and that the firings may have been in response to thwarted efforts by Republican Senators and perhaps even members of the Bush Administration (this is what the investigation is trying to find out) to direct prosecutors' investigations for political ends.

It has been implied that there has been misconduct by the President's staff. No such implication or any reason for suspicion has been present following previous staffing changes.

Edit: Damn you, 'brosa! Saying what I said more succinctly while I was away from the computer!

lawber

I'm lost

May 2006

MAR 21, 2007 09:20 PM

Humm, "it happened in the middle of the Bush term", lets see, he has just over a year left as commander and chief.

"Its common for the changing of the guard", that makes sense too, Clinton was in office for 7 years after he fired them.

It sounds like most of you have Bush and Clinton mixed up.

BlastProcessing

USA

OLD SKOOL

MAR 21, 2007 09:28 PM

lawber said:
Humm, "it happened in the middle of the Bush term", lets see, he has just over a year left as commander and chief.

"Its common for the changing of the guard", that makes sense too, Clinton was in office for 7 years after he fired them.

It sounds like most of you have Bush and Clinton mixed up.

Uhhh, no it doesn't.

spinhouse247

Punta Gorda, FL

December 2003

MAR 21, 2007 09:28 PM

Funny how the libs and mostly lib media forgot about Clinton firing 93 Federal Prosecutors. Maybe I just made it up...

BlastProcessing

USA

OLD SKOOL

MAR 21, 2007 09:30 PM

spinhouse247 said:
Funny how the libs and mostly lib media forgot about Clinton firing 93 Federal Prosecutors. Maybe I just made it up...

You saw how this point was shot down before you posted it, right?

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

MAR 21, 2007 09:30 PM

lawber said:
Humm, "it happened in the middle of the Bush term", lets see, he has just over a year left as commander and chief.

"Its common for the changing of the guard", that makes sense too, Clinton was in office for 7 years after he fired them.

It sounds like most of you have Bush and Clinton mixed up.

Gonzales had these people fired shortly after the 2006 elections. It is common for an incoming President's appointees to make changes in staffing shortly after being elected.

What Clinton's team did was routine. What Bush's team did was fishy. And lo and behold! It turns out there was reason to be suspicious, as e-mails surfaced that directly contradicted claims made by Alberot Gonzales.

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

MAR 21, 2007 09:31 PM

spinhouse247 said:
Funny how the libs and mostly lib media forgot about Clinton firing 93 Federal Prosecutors. Maybe I just made it up...

Wow. How does that punch taste? Suck it down, suck it down for the team. That's right.

spinhouse247

Punta Gorda, FL

December 2003

MAR 21, 2007 09:35 PM

6 bills in the first 100 hours... What happened to that one Nancy? Slurp Slurp, shes definitely sucking it down...

BlastProcessing

USA

OLD SKOOL

MAR 21, 2007 09:37 PM

spinhouse247 said:
6 bills in the first 100 hours... What happened to that one Nancy? Slurp Slurp, shes definitely sucking it down...

WOO HEY EVERYBODY LOOK OVER HERE CHECK THIS OUT I'M GONNA DO A TRICK LOOK LOOK LOOK!

I mean, seriously. Is that what constitutes an actual attempt for you?

spinhouse247

Punta Gorda, FL

December 2003

MAR 21, 2007 09:40 PM

I need not say anymore, its funny how I make a post and then you continue to embarrass yourselves with meaningless banter like a pack of imbeciles. Carry on now...

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA

July 2004

MAR 21, 2007 09:44 PM

spinhouse247 said:
I need not say anymore, its funny how I make a post and then you continue to embarrass yourselves with meaningless banter like a pack of imbeciles. Carry on now...

Uh huh. Right.

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

MAR 21, 2007 09:44 PM

spinhouse247 said:
I need not say anymore, its funny how I make a post and then you continue to embarrass yourselves with meaningless banter like a pack of imbeciles. Carry on now...

READ. THE. THREAD.

Look, just a few comments ago I pointed out explicitly why the 1993 firings of 93 attorneys were routine, and why the 2006 firings were not routine. I'm done pointing that out. If you can't be bothered even reading that, let alone rebutting it, I'm not going to repeat myself again just for you.

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

MAR 21, 2007 09:44 PM

BlastProcessing said:

lawber said:
Humm, "it happened in the middle of the Bush term", lets see, he has just over a year left as commander and chief.

"Its common for the changing of the guard", that makes sense too, Clinton was in office for 7 years after he fired them.

It sounds like most of you have Bush and Clinton mixed up.

Uhhh, no it doesn't.

Seriously, does lawber have any fucking clue what he's on about? He's left me waaaaay behind.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA

July 2004

MAR 21, 2007 09:45 PM

lawber said:
Humm, "it happened in the middle of the Bush term", lets see, he has just over a year left as commander and chief.

"Its common for the changing of the guard", that makes sense too, Clinton was in office for 7 years after he fired them.

It sounds like most of you have Bush and Clinton mixed up.

Actually, Clinton was in office for 8 years after he fired them. Because it was two months after he was inaugurated.

Thanks for keeping up.

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

MAR 21, 2007 09:47 PM

lawber said:
Humm, "it happened in the middle of the Bush term", lets see, he has just over a year left as commander and chief.

"Its common for the changing of the guard", that makes sense too, Clinton was in office for 7 years after he fired them.

It sounds like most of you have Bush and Clinton mixed up.

Actually, Clinton was in office for 8 years after he fired them. Because it was two months after he was inaugurated.

Thanks for keeping up.

The bizarre thing is that he thinks he's made some kind of point.

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA

July 2004

MAR 21, 2007 09:50 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:

lawber said:
Humm, "it happened in the middle of the Bush term", lets see, he has just over a year left as commander and chief.

"Its common for the changing of the guard", that makes sense too, Clinton was in office for 7 years after he fired them.

It sounds like most of you have Bush and Clinton mixed up.

Actually, Clinton was in office for 8 years after he fired them. Because it was two months after he was inaugurated.

Thanks for keeping up.

The bizarre thing is that he thinks he's made some kind of point.

It's like a moron contest between him and spinhouse.

And in that contest, we ALL win.

BlastProcessing

USA

OLD SKOOL

MAR 21, 2007 09:50 PM

spinhouse247 said:
I need not say anymore, its funny how I make a post and then you continue to embarrass yourselves with meaningless banter like a pack of imbeciles. Carry on now...

Google's image search for "carry on my wayward son" gives you some pretty random results.

Chainlink

Key West, FL

August 2005

MAR 21, 2007 09:51 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:

lawber said:
Humm, "it happened in the middle of the Bush term", lets see, he has just over a year left as commander and chief.

"Its common for the changing of the guard", that makes sense too, Clinton was in office for 7 years after he fired them.

It sounds like most of you have Bush and Clinton mixed up.

Actually, Clinton was in office for 8 years after he fired them. Because it was two months after he was inaugurated.

Thanks for keeping up.

The bizarre thing is that he thinks he's made some kind of point.

reading this thread makes me feel like . . . whoa.

BlastProcessing

USA

OLD SKOOL

MAR 21, 2007 10:03 PM

chainlink said:

TheFuckOffKid said:

lawber said:
Humm, "it happened in the middle of the Bush term", lets see, he has just over a year left as commander and chief.

"Its common for the changing of the guard", that makes sense too, Clinton was in office for 7 years after he fired them.

It sounds like most of you have Bush and Clinton mixed up.

Actually, Clinton was in office for 8 years after he fired them. Because it was two months after he was inaugurated.

Thanks for keeping up.

The bizarre thing is that he thinks he's made some kind of point.

reading this thread makes me feel like . . . whoa.

It's a shame, too, because the actual topic is all kinds of relevant and important and potentially precedent-setting and whatnot.

It's almost like...you know how certain video game manufacturers were alleged to have employees whose only purpose is to establish identities on gaming message boards and pump their products? Take that, but make it here, politics, and poorly-executed.

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAR 21, 2007 10:24 PM

lawber said:
Didn't Clinton fire all of them in 1993? I wonder why that never got the attention that this one has? Can anyone say liberal media?

Thank GOD for Fox News!!

Saying thank God for Fox News is literally like saying, "I know less than other people, yay!

October 02, 2003

A new study based on a series of seven US polls conducted from January through September of this year reveals that before and after the Iraq war, a majority of Americans have had significant misperceptions and these are highly related to support for the war in Iraq.

The frequency of Americans' misperceptions varies significantly depending on their source of news. The percentage of respondents who had one or more of the three misperceptions listed above is shown below.

Variations in misperceptions according to news source cannot simply be explained as a result of differences in the demographics of each audience, because these variations can also be found when comparing the rate of misperceptions within demographic subgroups of each audience.

Daarak

Houston, TX

October 2004

MAR 21, 2007 10:51 PM

lawber said:
Didn't Clinton fire all of them in 1993? I wonder why that never got the attention that this one has? Can anyone say liberal media?

Thank GOD for Fox News!!

There being a small, insignificant difference, Clinton's appointments had to have that crazy little thing called Senate confirmation. A stellar quote from the above article states it best...

"Like President Bill Clinton before him, Bush removed nearly all the U.S. attorneys when he came into office and replaced them with his own Senate-confirmed appointments. Under previous statutes, the attorney general had the power to appoint an interim prosecutor for 120 days in the case of a vacancy, but then it was up to the local district court to make an appointment until the Senate approved a final pick.

Gonzales and many legal experts say that arrangement was a troubling intrusion on the separation of powers between the independent branches of government.

A new provision, which was quietly tucked into USA Patriot Act reauthorization legislation last year, allows Gonzales to appoint interim prosecutors indefinitely. Not counting the recent dismissals, there have been 11 vacancies since the measure was enacted, and Justice Department officials said they will provide nominations to the Senate for each position."

Now to break it down, change to Patriot Act passed in March of 2006, 11 fired since. But of course that bill was inserted incase terrorists killed US attorneys and we needed new ones fast. Giving that the terrorists must be winning because good Republicans (read: "Duke" Cunningham) were having their names dirtied by the likes of Carol S. (Bin Laden)-Lam, then the removals were in the spirit of this provision of the Patriot Act.

And yes it is true that Albert has been stating that they intend to seek Senate Confirmation on new appointees, but some emails from a recently resigned D. Kyle Sampson, Gonzales' former chief of staff tends to go against that idea.

Yes, yes thank god for fox news and NPR corespondents!!. Who else can you trust for outright lies and/or misinformation?

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