NEWS: Islamic Nut Jobs Have A Pro-Rape Rally

Err..."womens rights" are "human rights." So, sorry...you don't need a vagina to call rape (or even less serious oppressions) wrong.

Word.

Yeah, without religion, i cant bear to think of how fucked up the world would be.

I really hope I don't sound like an apologist for misogynists in any part of the world, but do you think that rape does not go unpunished in Baltimore? Do you think that cops, the very people who are supposed to enforce laws, don't rape sex workers and addicts all the time? Do you think that the politicians right down the road from you who make the laws don't use their power to coerce women (and pages) into doing things they don't want to do, then use their power to intimidate their victims into silence, or drag their reputations through the mud when they speak up against their rapists?

Please don't use this small group of people to justify your racisim. I don't think the article even states the number of people that were at this rally.

You're twisting my words. I'm not talking about rape, I was referring to the above comment that "it's time for the whole world to call bullshit on the way that women are treated by Islamic law."

I'm saying that if anybody is going to "call bullshit on the way that women are treated by Islamic law," then that movement should be led by women--for a number of reasons. For one thing, they might tell us Rambo wannabes that we're plenty misogynistic ourselves. For another thing, men "rescuing" women implies that women can't organize and protect themselves, or ask for help if they really want it, which is, again, a misogynistic attitude.

Which brings me back to what I've been saying all along. If you're a man who wants to "fight" misogyny, start by asking the women close to you what you can do (he said on the porn site.) Let them call the shots, or tell you to fuck off and leave them alone...whatever the case may be.

These protesters give a bad name to Islam, a fundementally peaceful religion. Whatever.

I'd like to see a plan where women are going to demand rights in any country dominated by religious zealots who own their women like cattle. I'm sure they would love to hear how much the women of the rest of the world despise their islamic laws. It would be foolish to suggest that women from anywhere enter such a country to begin protesting anything. The leaders of the rest of the world (who are predominately male) must inform the leaders of extremist islamic states (who are 100% male) that their inhuman treatment of women will not be tolerated. Or we could just live and let live. If the women in those countries don't like how they are treated they will do something about it won't they. Let them take charge, and get stoned to death(or splashed with acid, or shot, or raped then stoned to death). The women in those countries cannot organise and protect themselves. It is against the law and they will be killed.

In other news from the region, the holocaust never happened, so given that this makes humanity as a whole at least 25% more virtuous that it was when we all knew the holocaust happened, perhaps we have space in our universal ethical conscience to have a real holocaust.
Lets start with these guys demonstrating in Pakistan

I actually had the privilige of hanging out with a woman (who works for Code Pink now) last weekend who spent two years in Afghanistan. So people can get in if they want to. But that's still not what I'm talking about. There are LOCAL people fighting to make change in these places you're talking about, and they can use your support.

You're assuming way too much. Pakistan has had the same female prime minister twice in its history. But why leave change to "leaders," anyway? There are people at the grassroots who need your help.

Actually, I linked to the website of the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA) in my initial comment, who've been active in Afghanistan since 1977.

But this thread is about Pakistan, I understand, which must have similar organizations on the ground. If you're so fired up to help the women of Pakistan out, I'm sure you'll have no trouble finding places to plug in or send donations.

All I'm saying is that any "feminist" movement that is initiated or led by men is suspect from the get-go. It runs a steep risk of PERPETUATING the patriarchy that it claims to fight.

What if you show up in a place to "help out" some poor locals and they tell you to bug off, you're just going to make their life worse in the long-run? Do you insist on "helping" them? Does their input matter at all, or do you know what's best for them?

I'm pretty sure if you asked a Paki woman whether they wanted it to be easier or harder for them to be raped, they'd say; 'harder'. But hey that's just a guess. I'd tend to agree with the previous posters who relegated this to the category of human rights. The point you're trying to make might make sense where the women have an equal voice. Unfortunately, in Pakistan you're a whore if only three men watch you get raped.

Yeah, they must all be that way. Fuck Pakistan. Let's bomb em'!

YEEEEEEEE-HAW!!!

Well, I'm not inactive, for starters, and I'm glad that some women have joined in this discussion so I'm not just debating feminist issues with a bunch of dudes. It's just that this whole thing sounds a lot like the argument people used in the colonial era to justify barbaric acts under the guise of spreading civilation and Christianity among the "natives."

It's not like we've eliminated misogyny in the west, you know? So if we (men) want to help do that, then I think we should turn to "western women" and ask them how we can help. And we should listen to them. Likewise, if you want to do something about genital mutilation in Sub-Saharan Africa, let's start by talking to women-led groups in Sub-Saharan Africa.

If a man rushes off to "save" the women without consulting them, first, I'd think that he was coming from a place where he views them as his property.

I feel that when the placard you're waving around reads "Down with the Women Protection Law," meaning you're against protecting half the population, it's kind of a call that you need to take a serious look at your religion and its values.

Hilarious. One sentance with sarcasm in it. Two previous articles, not the tiniest bit of sarcasm.

In the end, don't fucking read it. Just like if I don't like your pictures I won't look at them.

I want to live in a free sex zone.

It has its similarities. However, cultural relativism is no solution to this. We have to work within whatever our moral framework may happen to be at the time, and leave it to posterity to judge us for our sins - whatever they may be.

In other words, there's a right and a wrong to the controversy over this law. And recognizing our own failings and limitations doesn't mean that taking a stand on those of others is always inappropriate. So long as we do, in fact, recognize our own failings and limitations.