I guess were making words illegal now.

I know I posted the wrong link I posted the right one a little further down on page one.

damn... I need to start getting up earlier... I miss all the good shit....

Hey, brain. He said you were being (which you admit) "Sarcastically racially insensitive." He was pointing out that the sarcasm (which, again, you yourself have said was sarcasm) doesn't translate all the time, and since you're a big boy, you should understand that.

Way to miss the point, for about the 1,000th time.

It seems like a lot of people here are suffering from "not-bright guilt."

This thread belongs on the Shit Wankers forum.
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You're really not the brightest guy in the world are you? Why don't you take your brilliant observations and leave?

fair enough, but i'm not trying to make a point about black people. honestly, all i said at the beginning of this thread was a "wtf" at the term "racially abusing". everything that came afterwards was thanks to Zarth jumping on someone else's (rather measured and sane) response to what i said and going to town on it. so...

...in this instance, i'm not sure what else to call Zarth posting in my journal and generally hounding me. i'm aware of how public forums work, and am in fact employed to take care of a significant number of tubes. i don't think everyone in this thread who disagrees with me is going after me, but i do think it's fair to say that a few people are.

either way, wah wah wah, poor me. i know that the CE boards are harsh and can deal with it, i'm just tired of race-related topics turning into instant gong shows due to people getting intensely emotional over the topic.

and, since that has such an obvious response: yes, i know racism is an emotional topic, and justifiably so. this whole goddamn time all i've been trying to say is that i think people are going over the top with it. if you think i'm wrong, cool, but there's a difference between "you're wrong" and the ridiculous levels that CE threads get to.

i don't know why i'm even explaining this. it's a message board... one of the basic things about these are that you shouldn't get personally involved in them. is it really that hard for people to just debate something without it degenerating into shit like this?

Summary:
Do we have a legal right to say the "n word"? YES
Are people allowed to be offended by it or any other word? YES
Just because you CAN do it, does it mean you should? NO
Is Rev. Jackson asking private business owners to bar the use of a word in a setting that the business owner are allowed to do so? YES
Is that wrong? NO

Good Summary.

My problem is that you don't really seem qualified to judge what an acceptible amount of outrage about racism is. I still have no idea why you've made such a crusade out of this, in this thread or the Richards one.

Your choice of words has been fairly provocative in both threads, and you've generally been inflammatory and insulting in this one. You're contributing more than your fair share to the "degeneration" of the thread.

Words hurt people, racism is a problem in America--making an effort to address these two issues isn't really a bad thing. I hear what you're saying, a word is not necessarily racist in and of itself--but it can have a viceral effect on someone, especially when spat out by an intolerant prick. That deserves examination as well.

Also, none of that excuses your first post in the thread, which was painfully juvenile. Why? Read mydogfarted's post.

you know, that's true. i think off the bat i should have qualified it more as an entirely subjective statement -- or just not said it, since i've been around long enough to know the potential reaction to it. either way, you're right that people can be as outraged as they want, despite my personal distaste for it.

in the other thread, i think my comments were pretty much in line with your average CE debate (note: average CE debate, not the racial CE flail-fests i decried). with regards to this thread: i'm not usually polite to people who go out of their way to call me an idiot. if people who aren't Zarth (hi douchebag!) bristle at it, well, it's not for you.

But surely you hate the intolerant prick for being an intolerant prick, and not because s/he has a tendency to say a particular word, right?
An intolerant prick is a douche and says the 'N word' (Nigger) alot: One dislikes him.
Chris Rock is a champ and he also says the 'N word' alot: One loves him, despite for his mediocre film output. (Seriously, Down to Earth?)
This whole thing reminds of Lenny Bruce's point that if the then president JFK went on TV and pointed out all the 'Niggers' in his cabinet that were helping to make America a better place, then maybe a young black child wouldn't come home crying from school because some idiot called him a 'Nigger'. It's a WORD, nothing more. It was this point that I was trying to make with my first post. I realise now that perhaps that was not abundently clear. If I sounded racist, then I apologise for misleading you all.
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Which is just what I've been saying all along. I'm burying the hatchet now.

It's sad that Jesse Jackson has to turn his media hungery ego to this event, while rape and murder are happening at a horrific rate in Darfur. But then again there's no money to exploit in Sudan, just poor africans.

that was a lot of fun to read........

Is Jesse Jackson from Sudan? No.

Is he American? Yes.

Is it so shocking that he might decide to address issues in his own country, rather than in a country halfway around the world?

Didn't Jesse Jackson go get some hostages released from Kosovo or somewhere? I think he's already proven he'll go international for publicity...

Your right stupid me you must be from that country to give a dam.

Don't be obtuse. Just because a person focuses on the problems of his own country doesn't mean that he doesn't give a damn about the problems of other countries.

I thought the Sudan was rather dry?

Oh, if only we lived in a world where humans were emotionless robots. *sigh*

Or, alternately, If only some of us didn't see the belligerent, racist, rantings of a semi-popular pop-culture figure as symptomatic of a pathological contempt and therefore possible danger from some of their fellow countrymen, then, fuck! We've certainly degraded into a bunch of soft-core, trying to have a minimum amount of propriety jack-asses!

By the way, in case anyone is still wondering: Black people can really take a joke (better than many) and can be very self-effacing, in an appropriate context, but they don't take kindly to people calling them a nigger, especially to people referencing lynching in a threatening way!


Get it!

I have Vitilago, Diabetes and my Irish nose is getting there... Does that make me close enough to have an opinion? Oh yeah, almost forgot my "Uncle Pete."

Since Jesse Jackson wasn't available by phone, we'll need you to make the call for your entire race.

Yes, that's why they're GIVING IT AWAY.

If they didn't have all those bothersome Muslims they could sell the bricks to the Israelis for their walls around the Palestinian territories.

I understand the U.S. is also in the market for a big brick walll, so it may all be a wash. Though once the wash is dammed would it then become a canal or a smallish lake?

Gimmie a fucking break! I can't believe people are even taking this crap seriously, it'll never happen! It would be a complete violation of freedom of speach.. END OF STORY!