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tomahto

tomahto

San Bruno, CA
June 2003

NOV 27, 2006 11:48 AM

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Anti_Peace_Sign.html


Woman faces fines for wreath peace sign



In this undated photo provided by Lisa Jensen, a wreath is seen in Pagosa Springs, Colo. Pagosa Springs Colorado homeowners are battling over whether a Christmas wreath that includes a peace sign is an anti-Iraq war protest or even a promotion of Satan. (AP Photo/provided by Lisa Jensen)

DENVER -- A homeowners association in southwestern Colorado has threatened to fine a resident $25 a day until she removes a Christmas wreath with a peace sign that some say is an anti-Iraq war protest or a symbol of Satan.

Some residents who have complained have children serving in Iraq, said Bob Kearns, president of the Loma Linda Homeowners Association in Pagosa Springs. He said some residents have also believed it was a symbol of Satan. Three or four residents complained, he said.

"Somebody could put up signs that say drop bombs on Iraq. If you let one go up you have to let them all go up," he said in a telephone interview Sunday.

Lisa Jensen said she wasn't thinking of the war when she hung the wreath. She said, "Peace is way bigger than not being at war. This is a spiritual thing."

Jensen, a past association president, calculates the fines will cost her about $1,000, and doubts they will be able to make her pay. But she said she's not going to take it down until after Christmas.

"Now that it has come to this I feel I can't get bullied," she said. "What if they don't like my Santa Claus."

The association in this 200-home subdivision 270 miles southwest of Denver has sent a letter to her saying that residents were offended by the sign and the board "will not allow signs, flags etc. that can be considered divisive."

The subdivision's rules say no signs, billboards or advertising are permitted without the consent of the architectural control committee.

Kearns ordered the committee to require Jensen to remove the wreath, but members refused after concluding that it was merely a seasonal symbol that didn't say anything. Kearns fired all five committee members.

Quirky

Quirky

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

NOV 27, 2006 11:57 AM

Kearns must be one of them mermenz.

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

NOV 27, 2006 12:01 PM

That's so sad that a peace sign is considered "divisive," especially as part of a Christmas display...

KJV Bible, Luke Chapter 2
10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

I'd say a peace sign is perfectly appropriate as part of a Christmas display.

hadees

hadees

Austin, TX
December 2003

NOV 27, 2006 12:01 PM

Thats one of the most rediculous things I have ever heard of.

SnakePlissken

SnakePlissken

Corvallis, OR
December 2002

NOV 27, 2006 12:02 PM

I'd think that those with loved ones serving would embrace the concept with open arms.

SnakePlissken

SnakePlissken

Corvallis, OR
December 2002

NOV 27, 2006 12:04 PM

Shalome said:
That's so sad that a peace sign is considered "divisive," especially as part of a Christmas display...

KJV Bible, Luke Chapter 2
10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

I'd say a peace sign is perfectly appropriate as part of a Christmas display.




Also, what ever happened to love thy neighbor?

DhD_No_Pants

DhD_No_Pants

Katy, TX
May 2006

NOV 27, 2006 12:25 PM

Shalome said:
That's so sad that a peace sign is considered "divisive," especially as part of a Christmas display...

KJV Bible, Luke Chapter 2
10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

I'd say a peace sign is perfectly appropriate as part of a Christmas display.



I'm so glad someone else found that verse, I was about to have to attempt to find it.

What a bunch of fucking douchies.

Andvari

Andvari

Calgary, AB
April 2005

NOV 27, 2006 12:26 PM

The peace symbol can also be seen as the Nero's Cross, an upside down cross with the arms broken. Symbolizing the persecution and torture of Christians.

Anyone seeing that in this wreath is an idiot though.

Vanessa

Vanessa

SUICIDEGIRL

USA

NOV 27, 2006 12:29 PM

I saw this on CNN a while ago...seriously...what the FUCK is wrong with people?

maj1234

maj1234

Windsor, ON
July 2002

NOV 27, 2006 12:30 PM

Wow, some people are just really fucking sad.

hadees

hadees

Austin, TX
December 2003

NOV 27, 2006 12:31 PM

SnakePlissken said:
I'd think that those with loved ones serving would embrace the concept with open arms.



Who cares if they would embrace the concept. A peace sign does not equal an anti-Iraq war poster.

Andvari

Andvari

Calgary, AB
April 2005

NOV 27, 2006 12:35 PM

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

NOV 27, 2006 12:37 PM

Fuck homeowners associations. They're one of the most asinine, evil institutions in this country.

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

NOV 27, 2006 12:39 PM

DancehallDreamer said:

Shalome said:
That's so sad that a peace sign is considered "divisive," especially as part of a Christmas display...

KJV Bible, Luke Chapter 2
10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

I'd say a peace sign is perfectly appropriate as part of a Christmas display.



I'm so glad someone else found that verse, I was about to have to attempt to find it.

What a bunch of fucking douchies.




Although I'm one of those godless lefties who hasn't been to Mass (outside of a friend's wedding or two) for a good 10-12 years, I've read the Bible many times (yes, the whole damn thing).

This helps me find the verses I like to use to call "good Christians" total hypocrites. biggrin biggrin

papawheelie

papawheelie

Fisty, KY
February 2003

NOV 27, 2006 12:41 PM

and the 'jew on a stick' is a less offensive symbol representling something positive...?

mamet

mamet

Charleston, SC
March 2005

NOV 27, 2006 12:59 PM

surreal

StarBelliedBoy

StarBelliedBoy

Philadelphia, PA
December 2003

NOV 27, 2006 01:00 PM

SnakePlissken said:
Also, what ever happened to love thy neighbor?



Pervert!

ricosuave

ricosuave

I'm lost
September 2005

NOV 27, 2006 01:08 PM

papawheelie said:
and the 'jew on a stick' is a less offensive symbol representling something positive...?



Wow. I really feel in the holiday spirit now. I have always thought it was rather macabre to have an execution device as the symbol of a major religion (think guillotine or hangman's noose), but the 'jew on a stick' crack is a lil out of line.

back to the topic - some people have waaaaay too much time on their hands and not nearly enough common sense.

mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

NOV 27, 2006 01:09 PM

a peace sign that some say is an anti-Iraq war protest or a symbol of Satan



Jesus. Are these people serious? I thought that that 'debate' (ahem) was settled twenty years ago.

SoonerDog

SoonerDog

United Kingdom
July 2002

NOV 27, 2006 01:14 PM

SnakePlissken said
Also, what ever happened to love thy neighbor?



comedy hell?

RedBstrd

RedBstrd

Riverside, CA
April 2004

NOV 27, 2006 01:41 PM

DhD_No_Pants

DhD_No_Pants

Katy, TX
May 2006

NOV 27, 2006 02:11 PM

bean said:
Fuck homeowners associations. They're one of the most asinine, evil institutions in this country.



You should read Bentley Little's The Association. biggrin

papawheelie

papawheelie

Fisty, KY
February 2003

NOV 27, 2006 02:20 PM

ricosuave said:

papawheelie said:
and the 'jew on a stick' is a less offensive symbol representling something positive...?



Wow. I really feel in the holiday spirit now. I have always thought it was rather macabre to have an execution device as the symbol of a major religion (think guillotine or hangman's noose), but the 'jew on a stick' crack is a lil out of line.



sorry if that was offensive. It was intended as parody to soften a comment about something I feel strongly about.

mattmar

mattmar

United Kingdom
November 2004

NOV 27, 2006 02:28 PM

OK, so it's pretty retarded that her housing association have jumped to such bizarre conclusions about a symbol that became hackneyed and meaningless by like, 1970 - but the fact that she is quite clearly both a hippy and a Christian make me loose quite a lot of sympathy for her.
x

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

NOV 27, 2006 02:59 PM


Kearns ordered the committee to require Jensen to remove the wreath, but members refused after concluding that it was merely a seasonal symbol that didn't say anything. Kearns fired all five committee members.



surreal

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