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USA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 26, 2013 10:48 AM

Remember this fucking asshole?


He was acquitted of assault charges today



PHILADELPHIA - A former police lieutenant videotaped punching a woman after last year's Puerto Rican Day parade in Philadelphia has been acquitted of simple assault.



You know what's even more disgusting? His cop buddies in the audience fucking cheered when the verdict was read.



Triggering a deafening eruption of cheers from a courtroom packed with scores of Philadelphia police, a city judge this morning found ex-police Lt. Jonathan Josey not guilty of simple assault for swinging at and decking a woman during an unruly street party after last year's Puerto Rican Parade.



You know what's even worse than THAT?! His excuse for his actions......and how that piss poor excuse led to the acquittal:


Dugan, however, cited Josey's testimony that the 19-year decorated police veteran was trying to swipe a beer bottle from Guzman's hand and accidentally hit her. Josey said he acted in the context of an escalating melee in which some spectators were throwing beer bottles at police trying to arrest a driver doing "donuts" in the middle of the intersection.

The judge also cited other police testimony and character witnesses and an defense expert on police procedure who approved of Josey's conduct.

Dugan said the video alone was not enough to prove that Josey intended to harm Guzman: "This is not a social media contest, this is not trial by video."



It's shit like this.........and cops wonder why people hate them. Listen...I know cops personally. I work right alongside cops. I am not a cop-hater. However, THIS is why people hate cops....


semiretiredpunk

semiretiredpunk

USA
March 2007

FEB 26, 2013 11:34 AM

"not trial by video" = "fuck the evidence"

If you ask me, anyway.

dearambellina

dearambellina

Philadelphia, PA
October 2006

FEB 26, 2013 03:46 PM

I don't understand how they can act like this video doesn't even exist.

I was at a children's hospital in Philly the other day (not far from where that parade takes place) and noticed about 10 city cops eating dinner in the cafeteria. I wondered why they would choose to eat there and someone pointed out to me that they are too afraid to eat anywhere in the city while in uniform. Makes total sense when you see shit like this.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 26, 2013 04:28 PM

semiretiredpunk said:
"not trial by video" = "fuck the evidence"

If you ask me, anyway.



Exactly....it's the judge saying that there COULD be a justifiable reason for a police officer strike someone in the face even when that person didn't offer resistance.

The video CLEARLY shows someone else throwing liquid in the direction of the police.

Also, it's been 11 years since I was in the police academy...so maybe they added new directives that say it's okay to slap/punch a non-resisting person in the face if you think that they may have thrown liquid at you. /sarcasm

CZ

CZ

San Diego, CA
July 2006

FEB 27, 2013 12:16 AM

I mean, yeah. Obviously that cop is a total asshole, but the judge is a bigger POS in my opinion. What the fuck?!?

LEtranger

Letranger

Brooklyn, NY
September 2005

FEB 27, 2013 03:58 PM

Ever since the OWS stuff was going on I've become aware that its often the higher ranking officers, the "white shirts" who seem to pull this kind of shit. Maybe because they have less fear of repercussion from their superiors.

But yes, the fact that a lot of the other police officers in the courtroom cheered that he got away with punching an innocent woman in the face is truly dispiriting.

Lone_Ranger

Lone_Ranger

Antarctica
September 2004

FEB 27, 2013 11:06 PM

zoom image

also



you don't fuck with a law enforcement officer who has a firearm on their person. They just don't like that.

copy and paste that youtube link. it's right out of the webpage.

Lone_Ranger

Lone_Ranger

Antarctica
September 2004

FEB 28, 2013 12:18 AM

LEtranger said:
Ever since the OWS stuff was going on I've become aware that its often the higher ranking officers, the "white shirts" who seem to pull this kind of shit. Maybe because they have less fear of repercussion from their superiors.

But yes, the fact that a lot of the other police officers in the courtroom cheered that he got away with punching an innocent woman in the face is truly dispiriting.



each state that has ever had an OWS group convened. Governors and
law enforcement and federal law enforcement and so on all teamed up together.

also OWS has been classified as a Domestic Terrorist Organization.

that woman who was punched in the face deserved it.

also, I would make a shitty police officer.

ChrisSick

ChrisSick

Philadelphia, PA
March 2008

FEB 28, 2013 05:55 AM

Luckily your dazzling career as message board polemicist is taking off.

Lone_Ranger

Lone_Ranger

Antarctica
September 2004

FEB 28, 2013 05:43 PM



Luckily your dazzling career as message board polemicist is taking off.


hostility and war usually erupt from a singular opinion.

get some differing perspectives and one can possibly understand their own perspective better, it's actually anti-polemic.

minimalism

minimalism

Argentina
OLD SKOOL

FEB 28, 2013 05:55 PM


One hour of cops abusing their authority. If you can stomach it.

Lone_Ranger

Lone_Ranger

Antarctica
September 2004

FEB 28, 2013 06:01 PM

thanks, I doubt I would be able to handle it. do me a favor and find some examples of mobs getting out of control and stoning, throwing acid, raping, decapitation, and whatnot. We'll be able to see both sides in a more neutral light.

Lone_Ranger

Lone_Ranger

Antarctica
September 2004

FEB 28, 2013 06:25 PM

thanks for sharing. I'm not completely through it.

here's something from my neck of the woods. An irish man came home drunk and knocked on the wrong door, this woman calls police. Irish national is shot and killed. Grand Jury finds shooting death is justified. Police officer was labelled as wanting to kill. Irish and British government and news keeps pursuing. Police officer who shot the Irish National later is convicted of sexual abuse of a child.

9-11 call

Grand Jury

British Coverage

final result?

results of international pressure


------------
this is also from my area: KBOO: Radio Free Ireland

ChrisSick

ChrisSick

Philadelphia, PA
March 2008

FEB 28, 2013 06:29 PM

Lone_Ranger said:
thanks, I doubt I would be able to handle it. do me a favor and find some examples of mobs getting out of control and stoning, throwing acid, raping, decapitation, and whatnot. We'll be able to see both sides in a more neutral light.




Oh fuck straight off. This conversation is about a police officer who decided to handle a woman too drunk at a neighborhood block party style parade with a punch to her face while she was turned away from him. He wasn't facing a life or death situation, he decided that the "threat" of having beer or water thrown at him by someone was enough to warrant his violent assault of a random person.

You, in your boundless wisdom, declared she deserved it, without offering any context for such a remark, or any useful information to explain what was guiding your opinion. I don't know what that could possibly be labeled other than polemicist, if one were inclined to be polite. One less so inclined would probably accuse you of trolling the thread.

Moreover, there is no fucking "both sides" here. This isn't a disagreement between violent (apparently acid-flinging) mobs on one hand and police on the other. The police, at least in the US, represent and safeguard the citizens. When a crowd turns into a mob or a riot, the job of the police is to safeguard innocent civilians and their property by restoring civil order. As the civilians who empower the police, we have every right to dictate what level of force and use of tactics we find acceptable to do so. Just because not all of us put on kevlar and stand behind a riot shield doesn't mean we're not allowed to have an opinion on that shit, that just isn't how democracy works.

And finally, (and again) acid-fling? Fucking seriously? What mobs are you talking about or imaging? Even during the Rodney King Riots, which were probably the largest riots/civil unrest we've had in the last generation, I don't believe there was any manner of violence even approaching the sort of civil unrest you describe. Such unrest may be par for the course during, say, The Arab Spring, but of course then we're talking about full-on insurrection, with government troops and police forces responding with lethal force, often to the outrage of the world. So what the fuck, exactly, are you trying to say?

Lone_Ranger

Lone_Ranger

Antarctica
September 2004

FEB 28, 2013 07:30 PM

ChrisSick said:

Lone_Ranger said:
thanks, I doubt I would be able to handle it. do me a favor and find some examples of mobs getting out of control and stoning, throwing acid, raping, decapitation, and whatnot. We'll be able to see both sides in a more neutral light.




Oh fuck straight off. This conversation is about a police officer who decided to handle a woman too drunk at a neighborhood block party style parade with a punch to her face while she was turned away from him. He wasn't facing a life or death situation, he decided that the "threat" of having beer or water thrown at him by someone was enough to warrant his violent assault of a random person.

You, in your boundless wisdom, declared she deserved it, without offering any context for such a remark, or any useful information to explain what was guiding your opinion. I don't know what that could possibly be labeled other than polemicist, if one were inclined to be polite. One less so inclined would probably accuse you of trolling the thread.

Moreover, there is no fucking "both sides" here. This isn't a disagreement between violent (apparently acid-flinging) mobs on one hand and police on the other. The police, at least in the US, represent and safeguard the citizens. When a crowd turns into a mob or a riot, the job of the police is to safeguard innocent civilians and their property by restoring civil order. As the civilians who empower the police, we have every right to dictate what level of force and use of tactics we find acceptable to do so. Just because not all of us put on kevlar and stand behind a riot shield doesn't mean we're not allowed to have an opinion on that shit, that just isn't how democracy works.

And finally, (and again) acid-fling? Fucking seriously? What mobs are you talking about or imaging? Even during the Rodney King Riots, which were probably the largest riots/civil unrest we've had in the last generation, I don't believe there was any manner of violence even approaching the sort of civil unrest you describe. Such unrest may be par for the course during, say, The Arab Spring, but of course then we're talking about full-on insurrection, with government troops and police forces responding with lethal force, often to the outrage of the world. So what the fuck, exactly, are you trying to say?



well fuck. if we can only discuss an OP's video, then fuck this noise.

here's some more noise

of course, the law enforcement in these regions is ALSO abusing it's granted powers.

I'll go back to listening to the silence.

ChrisSick

ChrisSick

Philadelphia, PA
March 2008

FEB 28, 2013 07:56 PM

Oh for christsakes. Now you're trolling and whining about beng called on it?

You said the woman in the video "deserved it". Either back it up or retract it, but pretending like it never happened isn't it an option on the table.

You brought up police facing acid-flinging and decapitating and gang-raping mobs. Either present evidence of such, expand the context so we know what you're talking about, or admit that dropping such inflammatory statements on a thread about police violence as "the other side" is obviously a polemical approach.

You're whining, there's no whining on CE.*

(*Technically not true, but I liked the reference, and we do at least try to frown on it, here.)

ChrisSick

ChrisSick

Philadelphia, PA
March 2008

FEB 28, 2013 07:56 PM

Double.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

FEB 28, 2013 11:49 PM

Lone_ranger said:
that woman who was punched in the face deserved it.


What in the high holy fuck are you on about?

Lone_Ranger said:
do me a favor and find some examples of mobs getting out of control and stoning, throwing acid, raping, decapitation, and whatnot.


What in the high holy fuck are you on?

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

FEB 28, 2013 11:51 PM

ermehgehrd derble

Accuser

Accuser

Dana Point, CA
October 2006

MAR 01, 2013 03:09 AM



This seems to contradict the rest of your posts. Unless you're trying to suggest that the demonstrable existence of at least one good Philly cop somehow proves that all Philly cops are incapable of power abuse.

In other words, imagine that random brown woman was, instead, Mark Cuban. Think the punch still happens? If it does, think the cop gets away with it?

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

MAR 01, 2013 05:34 AM

motorfirebox said:

Lone_ranger said:
that woman who was punched in the face deserved it.


What in the high holy fuck are you on about?

Lone_Ranger said:
do me a favor and find some examples of mobs getting out of control and stoning, throwing acid, raping, decapitation, and whatnot.


What in the high holy fuck are you on?



Dipshit is a helluva drug.

Lone_Ranger

Lone_Ranger

Antarctica
September 2004

MAR 01, 2013 07:20 AM

I should probably demonstrate my dipshit:

I see examples of hyperbolic thought about Police in general, even when OP admits he works with police and respects them. Another agrees and includes OWS references. I post some examples at other end of the spectrum, including OWS references.

Minimalism posts a video, I watch it and thank him. I suggest someone find examples of mob rule.

before finishing Minimalism's video, I post an example of a local police force where an Irish National was shot and killed in Silverton Oregon. I support Silverton Police Department, I am also glad that European pressure resulted in that one police officer being thrown in jail for sexual abuse of a child after being acquitted in that use of lethal force.

Polemic has been thrown at me for refusing to follow in line with hyperbolic standpoints and suggesting there are multiple viewpoints on this spectrum.

read whining into my voice if you like, I'm reading something else.

Mr_Matt_

Mr_Matt_

Pompano Beach, FL
July 2005

MAR 01, 2013 09:59 AM

It's not all about you, pal.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

MAR 01, 2013 11:47 AM

Lone_Ranger said:
I should probably demonstrate my dipshit:

I see examples of hyperbolic thought about Police in general, even when OP admits he works with police and respects them. Another agrees and includes OWS references. I post some examples at other end of the spectrum, including OWS references.

Minimalism posts a video, I watch it and thank him. I suggest someone find examples of mob rule.

before finishing Minimalism's video, I post an example of a local police force where an Irish National was shot and killed in Silverton Oregon. I support Silverton Police Department, I am also glad that European pressure resulted in that one police officer being thrown in jail for sexual abuse of a child after being acquitted in that use of lethal force.

Polemic has been thrown at me for refusing to follow in line with hyperbolic standpoints and suggesting there are multiple viewpoints on this spectrum.

read whining into my voice if you like, I'm reading something else.




Accuser

Accuser

Dana Point, CA
October 2006

MAR 01, 2013 01:24 PM

Lone_Ranger said:
I should probably demonstrate my dipshit:

I see examples of hyperbolic thought about Police in general, even when OP admits he works with police and respects them. Another agrees and includes OWS references. I post some examples at other end of the spectrum, including OWS references.

Minimalism posts a video, I watch it and thank him. I suggest someone find examples of mob rule.

before finishing Minimalism's video, I post an example of a local police force where an Irish National was shot and killed in Silverton Oregon. I support Silverton Police Department, I am also glad that European pressure resulted in that one police officer being thrown in jail for sexual abuse of a child after being acquitted in that use of lethal force.

Polemic has been thrown at me for refusing to follow in line with hyperbolic standpoints and suggesting there are multiple viewpoints on this spectrum.

read whining into my voice if you like, I'm reading something else.


And yet I notice you glossed over such contributions as:

Lone_Ranger said:
that woman who was punched in the face deserved it.


But it is remarkable how naked assertions and rambling justifications can be seen as so reasonable from the perspective of the one making them.

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