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Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

AUG 14, 2008 12:25 PM

I'll admit it...sometimes it can be annoying when people constantly harangue you about what a terrible person you are for drinking bottled water, or not eating organic food, or accidentally step on a near-extinct micro-organism...it can get a little preachy nowadays.

A few years ago, I noticed something. I noticed that just about every newer retail store I went in...had automatic doors. You know them...the doors that have a sensor and open automatically when you get close to them. Not long after I noticed them...I started questioning why I use them. My arms work. I'm (for the most part) a healthy young man. Why do I need my door automatically opened for me while I buy junk I don't really need at Target?

Next time you go to a retail store...take a look around. See if you can find a manual door. Oh, those were the dark ages, weren't they? Remember when we had to use physical force to manually operate a door? Thank goodness we've (d)evolved.

I began my one-man rebellion against convenience. I pledged to use the manual doors and take the stairs instead of the escalator.

Do you know what I learned? I learned that while the seemingly physically capable sheep stood in line...waiting to pass through the automatic door....then stood in another line to go up the escalator...I could gallantly stride past them....open my own door with my super-human strength, and master the art of walking up stairs.

Now, I can see if you don't have arms...you wouldnt want to use your mouth on a public door handle...that'd just be gross. Maybe have ONE automatic door...you know, for the cripples like No-Arms McGee who's too afraid to open a door like a MAN.....

Or the plight of Johnny CantWalk with the two bum legs...it can get awfully frustrating having to constantly as strangers for a piggy-back ride up the stairs. HE....can use the escalator guilt-free.

What's your excuse, pussy?

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

AUG 14, 2008 12:32 PM

Bah ha ha ! This is awesome.

Cash said:

Do you know what I learned? I learned that while the seemingly physically capable sheep stood in line...waiting to pass through the automatic door....then stood in another line to go up the escalator...I could gallantly stride past them....open my own door with my super-human strength, and master the art of walking up stairs.



I have a secret confession.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
I hate people that stand on the escalator or moving sidewalk like they're on a fucking ride. mad

wink



God bless you in your rebellion. You are not alone.

Quirky

Quirky

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

AUG 14, 2008 01:06 PM

Word. I cannot stand people who ride trolleys at shopping malls, or those flippant idiots who need to drive two blocks away to the convenience store "cuz it's hot."

d20

d20

San Francisco, CA
September 2003

AUG 14, 2008 01:45 PM

the best part is that spending your own energy to do a physical task is called "exercise", and it pretty much totally rules.

dingoes8

dingoes8

Milwaukee, WI
March 2004

AUG 14, 2008 01:52 PM

But we'll never evolve into a massive-craniumed telepathic species if we keep having to exert our fragile physical bodies by opening doors.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

AUG 14, 2008 02:44 PM

dingoes8 said:
But we'll never evolve into a massive-craniumed telepathic species if we keep having to exert our fragile physical bodies by opening doors.



Is that bad?

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

AUG 14, 2008 02:46 PM

Chainlink said:
Bah ha ha ! This is awesome.

Cash said:

Do you know what I learned? I learned that while the seemingly physically capable sheep stood in line...waiting to pass through the automatic door....then stood in another line to go up the escalator...I could gallantly stride past them....open my own door with my super-human strength, and master the art of walking up stairs.



God bless you in your rebellion. You are not alone.



No indeed.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

AUG 14, 2008 02:54 PM

Funny. My local Target actually does have hand-opening doors, at least to get into the little porch area . . . never understood why businesses need those. It's like they're giving you one last chance to escape their everyday low prices. But I guess our mall makes up for it: It is only one floor, and none of the doors are automatic. Those poor teens actually have to exert themselves to enter Banality Central.

If you notice, it isn't just elevators/escalators/automatic doors. Watch people walk from street level up to sidewalk level: nearly everybody will use the handicap ramp.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

AUG 14, 2008 03:06 PM

coyotemike said:
Funny. My local Target actually does have hand-opening doors, at least to get into the little porch area . . . never understood why businesses need those. It's like they're giving you one last chance to escape their everyday low prices. But I guess our mall makes up for it: It is only one floor, and none of the doors are automatic. Those poor teens actually have to exert themselves to enter Banality Central.

If you notice, it isn't just elevators/escalators/automatic doors. Watch people walk from street level up to sidewalk level: nearly everybody will use the handicap ramp.



Yes, but that's because it's faster and there's no risk of tripping on the steps.

At least, that's why I use it.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

AUG 14, 2008 03:29 PM

Cash said:
I'll admit it...sometimes it can be annoying when people constantly harangue you about what a terrible person you are for drinking bottled water, or not eating organic food, or accidentally step on a near-extinct micro-organism...it can get a little preachy nowadays.


Is this really a problem for you? I've never in my life noticed anyone calling me a bad person for anything I do (except smoking), let alone experiencing it "constantly," and I tend to run in some pretty eco-conscious circles.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

AUG 14, 2008 03:30 PM

bean said:

Cash said:
I'll admit it...sometimes it can be annoying when people constantly harangue you about what a terrible person you are for drinking bottled water, or not eating organic food, or accidentally step on a near-extinct micro-organism...it can get a little preachy nowadays.


Is this really a problem for you? I've never in my life noticed anyone calling me a bad person for anything I do (except smoking), let alone experiencing it "constantly," and I tend to run in some pretty eco-conscious circles.



Do you smoke organic cigarettes?

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

AUG 14, 2008 04:13 PM

Phelps is an ass. He wastes 12,000 calories a day on his vain swimming and gold medals. Those calories could totally be used by starving children in Africa. Stop wasting energy!

Uncognitive

Uncognitive

Brooklyn, NY
May 2003

AUG 14, 2008 04:15 PM

I'm curious as to how, exactly, someone "wastes" energy by taking an escalator, since the escalators I've seen tend to be in motion (or not) regardless of the number of people on them.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

AUG 14, 2008 04:23 PM

Uncognitive said:
I'm curious as to how, exactly, someone "wastes" energy by taking an escalator, since the escalators I've seen tend to be in motion (or not) regardless of the number of people on them.

I think he means the energy we spend pumping electricity through the escalators because people are too lazy to walk up and down stairs. [/conjecture]

Twelve

Twelve

Bay City, MI
April 2007

AUG 14, 2008 04:49 PM

I hate automatic doors, but not because they're automatic. It's because they put the sensor on the inside and the outside, and then label the doors "Entrance" and "Exit." If it's going to be labeled "Entrance," it shouldn't fucking open from the inside.

turin

turin

Denver, CO
October 2003

AUG 14, 2008 05:05 PM

Cash said:
Why do I need my door automatically opened for me while I buy junk I don't really need at Target?



I think the theory is that your hands are full, or you're pushing a cart. almost all the stores with automatic doors that I can think of around here are grocery stores or pretty big retail stores.

coyotemike said:
My local Target actually does have hand-opening doors, at least to get into the little porch area . . . never understood why businesses need those.



that's so that the store isn't blasted with cold air in the winter (or hot in the summer) every time someone goes in or out. it's like a temperature lock. it's actually the same problem revolving doors were invented to solve. how do I know this crap?

what bugs me is how the local version of kroger around here doesn't even have doors, just a big gaping hole in the front of the store, blasting out heated or cooled air all goddamn year. I think once, when it was like -18 outside, I saw them narrow the opening a little bit.

d20

d20

San Francisco, CA
September 2003

AUG 14, 2008 05:16 PM

Tiwaz said:

Uncognitive said:
I'm curious as to how, exactly, someone "wastes" energy by taking an escalator, since the escalators I've seen tend to be in motion (or not) regardless of the number of people on them.

I think he means the energy we spend pumping electricity through the escalators because people are too lazy to walk up and down stairs. [/conjecture]



plus, if you want to get into pointless details -- as CE threads tend to do -- the motor has to do more work to move the mass that passengers add.

/derail

Hooraydiation

Hooraydiation

Boston, MA
October 2005

AUG 14, 2008 05:20 PM

I think the theory is that your hands are full, or you're pushing a cart. almost all the stores with automatic doors that I can think of around here are grocery stores or pretty big retail stores.



Wow, that's a good point.

sick

sick

Minneapolis, MN
June 2003

AUG 14, 2008 05:24 PM

I can think of a number of reasons for the presence of a great number of automatic doors than manual doors.

1. While your hands may be free when you enter the store, upon leaving you will presumably have your hands full, be pushing a cart, or be otherwise encumbered.

2. The Americans with Disabilities Act requires handicap accessibility.Having automatic doors is more convenient for those with disabilities, and it doesn't inconvenience those without. In fact, it also makes things more accessible to those without.

3. Safety. You're not likely to get shut in an automatic door. Kids aren't going to get their fingers pinched. Collection agents aren't going to slam delinquent borrower's heads in them.

4. Also safety related, in the event of an emergency, all the doors can be opened automatically and set to stay open, facilitating a safe and speedy evacuation.

5. Despite sometimes waiting for people to get through the doors, I suspect traffic flows faster through automatic doors than manual doors.

Chainlink said:
I hate people that stand on the escalator or moving sidewalk like they're on a fucking ride.



That drives me nuts too, actually. Stand on the right, walk on the left. Except in places where people not familiar with escalators visit, like malls. Then they just stand wherever the hell they please.

Twelve said:
If it's going to be labeled "Entrance," it shouldn't fucking open from the inside.



Except, for safety reasons, law requires that it open from the inside.

coyotemike said:
If you notice, it isn't just elevators/escalators/automatic doors. Watch people walk from street level up to sidewalk level: nearly everybody will use the handicap ramp.



It's due to a principle of universal design: the solution should help everyone, not just those with disabilities.

I view it as a good thing, myself.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

AUG 14, 2008 05:41 PM

Sick said:
2. The Americans with Disabilities Act requires handicap accessibility.Having automatic doors is more convenient for those with disabilities, and it doesn't inconvenience those without. In fact, it also makes things more accessible to those without.



Fuck the ADA. Seriously. Fuck it right in it's crippled ass. My local convenience store has 6 parking spots. Two of them are handicapped spots. Why?

Much like Affirmative Action...the ADA has outlived its purpose. All the ADA does now is make businesses & governments spend a shit ton of money that could be better used elsewhere.

ONE automatic door would more than take care of the handicapped populace at any building.



Admiral_Pants

Admiral_Pants

Austin, TX
May 2004

AUG 14, 2008 05:49 PM

What really bothers me is automatic paper towel dispensers. They're not any easier to use than the regular types(not the ones where you pump the handle, the ones like upside-down tissue boxes), and they're slower and more expensive.

smithers_jones

smithers_jones

I'm lost
November 2003

AUG 14, 2008 05:55 PM

Cash said:

Sick said:
2. The Americans with Disabilities Act requires handicap accessibility.Having automatic doors is more convenient for those with disabilities, and it doesn't inconvenience those without. In fact, it also makes things more accessible to those without.



Fuck the ADA. Seriously. Fuck it right in it's crippled ass.


Edgy. Way to be an iconoclast there, Mr. Trailblazer. But you make a good point, the disabled and the laws designed to protect them are really brining this country down. whatever

Cassiel

Cassiel

Aurora, CO
September 2004

AUG 14, 2008 05:57 PM

sound and fury!

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

AUG 14, 2008 05:59 PM

Cash said:

Sick said:
2. The Americans with Disabilities Act requires handicap accessibility.Having automatic doors is more convenient for those with disabilities, and it doesn't inconvenience those without. In fact, it also makes things more accessible to those without.



Fuck the ADA. Seriously. Fuck it right in it's crippled ass. My local convenience store has 6 parking spots. Two of them are handicapped spots. Why?

Much like Affirmative Action...the ADA has outlived its purpose. All the ADA does now is make businesses & governments spend a shit ton of money that could be better used elsewhere.


Bullshit. Christ, listen to yourself. Do you actually believe this crap?

My aunt has advanced Multiple Sclerosis. She needs a walker or wheelchair to go anywhere (depending on how she's feeling). She still goes out to dinner, to the convenience store, to movies, to the grocery store, even though she has to be driven. If it weren't for the ADA, most businesses wouldn't have facilities that accommodated people like my aunt. It takes a tremendous amount of pain and effort for her to get just from the handicapped parking space into a store, and that's from the closest spot. To deprive her of that luxury would be like forcing you to have to park ten blocks away and carry a 50lb weight every time you wanted to get groceries, or go to dinner, or anything.

Before the ADA, it was common for movie theaters, stadiums, grocery stores, and other retail and entertainment establishments to be completely inaccessible to people like my aunt. Something completely inconsequential to you and me, like a small three-step stair, would rob her of any semblance of independence, as she would have to depend on the kindness of others (which, as I'm sure you know, isn't always dependable) just to get up three stairs. Before the ADA, public places didn't need to have ramps, or doors or aisles wide enough for wheelchairs to fit.

My ex-wife worked with blind kids, and I volunteered with them on several trips, taking them out to experience the world, and teaching them how to interact with the world. Many blind or near-blind people can be very independent with years of training and practice, but small things make all the difference. The ADA helps standardize things so that they know what to expect when they're interacting with a public place.

Heaven forbid you should have to exert a little bit of effort to afford these people this convenience. Heaven forbid we should make changes which, in the long run, aren't that big a deal to most of us, in order to dramatically improve the everyday lives of people with disabilities.

ckdexterhaven

ckdexterhaven

USA
December 2005

AUG 14, 2008 06:00 PM

Cassiel said:
sound and fury!


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