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joker_

joker_

Windsor, CA
October 2005

JUN 19, 2007 05:43 PM

Colinism said:

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Gesomina said:

yourfashionwar said:
relax, white people will be around for awhile. kevin federline will make up for those of us who choose not to breed.



I will thanks! kiss



Well Kfed and Conservatives. The future belongs to the conservative religous republicans.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/09/17/INGEJL45D11.DTL

If you're a liberal, here's what you can do to make Karl Rove a very happy man: Get yourself a labradoodle. Or any other kind of dog, for that matter. Even a cat will do.

Just don't have children.

That way you'll maintain a fertility gap that already is invisibly working to guarantee the political right will outnumber the left by an ever-growing margin.

Over the past three decades, conservatives have been procreating more than liberals -- continuing to seed the future with their genes by filling bassinets coast to coast with tiny Future Republicans of America.

Take a randomly selected sample of 100 liberal adults and 100 conservative adults. According to an analysis of the 2004 General Social Survey -- a bible of data for social scientists -- the liberals would have had 147 kids, while the conservatives would have had 208. That's a fertility gap of 41 percent. Even adjusting for other variables like age and income, there is a gap of 19 percent.

Now superimpose this on a map of the United States. The highest fertility rate is found in the most Republican state, Utah, home to the Mormon Church. The lowest fertility belongs to Vermont, a state liberal enough to be the first to sanction gay unions.

The states with the next highest fertility rates, according to the latest National Center for Health Statistics survey, are Arizona, Alaska and Texas, otherwise known as "red states." States with the next lowest fertility rates are Maine, Massachusetts and Rhode Island, all "blue states."

So what does it mean that the birth rate in Salt Lake City far outstrips that of liberal San Francisco (where dogs supposedly outnumber children)?

"Liberals have got a big 'baby problem,' and it risks being the death of them," contends Arthur Brooks, professor at Syracuse University's Maxwell School of Public Affairs. He reckons that unless something gives, Democratic politicians in the future may not have many babies to kiss.

"When secular-minded Americans decide to have few, or no, children, they unwittingly give a strong evolutionary advantage to the other side of the culture divide," writes Phillip Longman, senior fellow at the New America Foundation. "If 'Metros' don't start having more children, America's future is 'Retro.' "

But wait, you may say: the attitudes of the parents don't determine what ideology or political party their offspring will adopt as their own. Yet they usually do.

Political scientists have long found that 4 out of 5 people with a party preference grow up to vote the way their parents voted. In fact, while many people experience a temporary rejection of their parents' politics in very early adulthood, virtually nothing is more predictive of your political ideology than that of your parents -- it's more of a determining factor than income, education or any other societal yardstick.

There are exceptions: While only 20 percent eschew their parents' ideology, they do, after all, add up to a lot of people. And despite ample instances of Republicans in Southern states being raised by parents who once identified as Democrats, those parents were actually conservative Democrats who became Reagan Democrats and ultimately migrated to the GOP. The party labels changed, but the political ideology remains consistent from generation to generation.

"Right now this theory really applies to political parties as well as ideology, because the parties have become incredibly well sorted by ideology," says Marc Hetherington, associate professor of political science at Vanderbilt University who studies political identification. In other words, in 2006 a conservative is going to find a cozy home in the Republican Party, and a liberal can expect the same in the Democratic Party.

Thus Democrats will breed Democrats, and Republicans will breed Republicans -- the blue states reddening every day.

This phenomenon has prompted writer Steve Sailer to offer a prescription for ensuring a GOP majority to his readers in the American Conservative. "Because Democrats win when Americans don't marry and don't have children," he notes, "publicly label them as what they are: the party that thrives on loneliness."

In truth, it's more complicated. As far as sex goes, liberals and conservatives, Republicans and Democrats report having it with equal frequency, according to an online survey taken in November by Ken Berwitz, partner in the market research firm National Qualitative Centers Inc. Liberalism doesn't induce celibacy or frigidity, any more than conservatism can be mistaken for an aphrodisiac.

So how else to explain the fertility gap?

Limited space is one consideration. Liberals are most concentrated in cities, but such urban dwellers pay more for far less real estate than do rural dwellers -- meaning they have less money to pay for the costs of children, and fewer rooms and smaller yards in which to put them.

Religion is another factor. Some of the most ardent conservatives are religious fundamentalists who believe they have been bidden by God to go forth and multiply. These conservatives, now overwhelmingly Republican, see large families as blessings, abortion as sacrilege, birth control as potentially sinful. Indeed people who attend church weekly are twice as likely as those who seldom attend to say their ideal family size is three or more children. (This "relentlessly pro-natal" orientation, Longman contended in a recent issue of the journal Foreign Policy, threatens a not-too-distant future in which zealous Christians and radical Muslims inherit the Earth and usher in "new Dark Ages").

Conversely, other influences depress the number of children born to liberals. Liberal women are statistically more likely to delay childbirth into later years than are conservative women, and they may also be more open to abortion, although the data is unclear. Gays and lesbians, who vote Democratic by a roughly 4-1 ratio, are much less likely to have children than heterosexuals. And some on the left advocate fewer children as "socially responsible" to lessen the toll on the planet's finite resources.

When it comes to California, the wildcard is our burgeoning immigrant population. Here, the highest fertility rates are among Latinas, an ethnic group that is historically liberal on economic issues and allied with the Democratic Party. This might seem to suggest that time is on the side of liberals in the Golden State, which already has become bluer since the Reagan years.

Conversely, the highest fertility rates are among Latinas who are in the country illegally, lacking voting rights. As they move through the cycles of first-, second- and third-generation immigration, their fertility rates drop and they may become more economically conservative precisely at the time they are more likely to vote. Already they identify as conservative on social issues such as abortion and gay rights.

So are their offspring destined to be liberal or conservative?

"Therein lies the interesting political question," observed Michael Alvarez, professor of political science at the California Institute of Technology. "Depending on how the political parties react to Hispanics in the near term, and the future, they could largely gravitate to one party over the other -- or they could evolve into a swing electorate."

Such uncertainties about behavior and demographics make some experts like Alvarez wary of forecasts that liberals will become an endangered species.

Demographics are, almost by definition, processes of distilling complexity into generality, messy diversity into neatly tied bundles of averages. Several caveats could belie a liberal "baby bust." Party identification could wane, or a third party emerge.

And a cataclysmic political event might shake up the sorting that makes the Democratic Party indisputably for liberals and the GOP the only choice for conservatives, prompting offspring to remain faithful to their parents' ideology while switching parties. Example: Another major terrorist attack might prompt the GOP to nominate a candidate like former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who is also pro-choice on abortion and a supporter of gay rights and gun control.

In the meantime, liberals might mull over their options for thwarting Rove by bridging the fertility gap. In the Italian city of Venice, vendors sell tourists wishing to feed the ubiquitous pigeons bags of birdseed surreptitiously laced with birth control. But infiltrating the water system in Salt Lake City seems a rather diabolical tactic in pursuit of political domination.

Syracuse's Brooks offers this suggestion to Democrats instead: Quit having pets.



Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I guess I'm gonna have to start procreating like crazy to spread my liberal views, and there will be the added benefit of browning out the country as I go.
Excellent news, now all I have to do is find a few hundred willing partners.

Don't be confused it isn't because I have any interest in having more sex than Wilt Chamberlain, the fate of liberalism is at stake.

metalmermaid

metalmermaid

Mojave, CA
April 2007

JUN 19, 2007 05:49 PM

Why are these crotchspies almost always men who can't even get knocked up? mad

(It's a rhetorical question.)



Roethke

Roethke

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JUN 19, 2007 05:50 PM

yourfashionwar said:


But infiltrating the water system in Salt Lake City seems a rather diabolical tactic in pursuit of political domination.



speak for yourself, article author.
i've been advocating birth control in the water everywhere for years.


SLC is a very liberal city. The mayor advocates gay marriage, legalizing marijuana, and held a protest when Bush visited the state, among other things.

It's the rest of the state that you ought to be worrying about

The city's political demographics are liberal and Democratic. This stands in stark contrast to the majority of Utah where Republican and conservative views generally dominate.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_lake_city#Law_and_government

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Oh, snap! I just referrenced Wikipedia! Five seconds till someone tells me that wikipedia is not a reputable source.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

Charleston, SC
August 2004

JUN 19, 2007 06:08 PM

wildswan said:

MrCrisp said:

wildswan said:
Somehow, everyone managed not to be afraid of all white, male Christians.



woah woah, watch it, bigot.



Why are you racist against bigots?!



what's next? you're going to try to play that "i have white friends" card? puh-lease.

Solaris

Solaris

SUICIDEGIRL

British Columbia, Canada

JUN 19, 2007 06:17 PM

i am too lazy to contribute to any discussion but just wanted to say i truly laughed out loud at the commentary in this news article. well, okay, you got me. i didn't actually laugh out loud. but i swear i was close.

Darke

Darke

Trego, WI
June 2005

JUN 19, 2007 06:26 PM

Chainlink

Chainlink

Dickeyville, WI
August 2005

JUN 19, 2007 06:33 PM

Roethke said:

yourfashionwar said:


But infiltrating the water system in Salt Lake City seems a rather diabolical tactic in pursuit of political domination.



speak for yourself, article author.
i've been advocating birth control in the water everywhere for years.


SLC is a very liberal city. The mayor advocates gay marriage, legalizing marijuana, and held a protest when Bush visited the state, among other things.

It's the rest of the state that you ought to be worrying about

The city's political demographics are liberal and Democratic. This stands in stark contrast to the majority of Utah where Republican and conservative views generally dominate.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_lake_city#Law_and_government

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Oh, snap! I just referrenced Wikipedia! Five seconds till someone tells me that wikipedia is not a reputable source.



you can die from drinking too much wikipedia fyi.

otaku

otaku

I'm lost
January 2004

JUN 19, 2007 07:40 PM

'cuse me, but isn't killing/murder supposed to be breaking one of God's Commandments? Doesn't seem like the kind of activity these folks should be celebrating.
But then again, that's never stopped these folks, has it? ("I'm a Christian, so I'll be forgiven/It's God's Will/I'm doing this for God, not thinking how pissed off He'd be at my presumptuousness"). puke puke puke

otaku

otaku

I'm lost
January 2004

JUN 19, 2007 07:47 PM

Or maybe said christians only follow these Commandments.

SouthernDJ

SouthernDJ

Duluth, GA
September 2006

JUN 19, 2007 08:40 PM

Please do not lump all people of faith together with the fanatics. Just because you do not agree with a religion's ideals, does not mean that all who do are crazy murderous freaks.

The people you are talking about are not following the instructions of the faith they claim. They are beyond misguided. Terrorists who claim to be killing for religion are self proclaimed hypocrites. (This includes the crusades). People who murder to protest abortion are terrorists.

I would no sooner look at an irresponsible journalist who lets his personal feelings affect how he reports the news, and assume that all journalists are just sensationalizing the twisted facts. That would be ignorant.

And yes, this is the most ridiculous thing I've heard this week.

3rdimaginaryboy

3rdimaginaryboy

Brooklyn, NY
December 2006

JUN 19, 2007 08:56 PM

Well ... let's hope that their re-enactment doesn't actually involve committing murder. I could easily some wing nut taking their call for a gathering to re-enact it a little TOOOO seriously.

Same goes for anyone who might take Flip Benham's call to "push what is left of the abortion industry into a deep grave" in Birmingham literally also and re-enact Mr. Rudolph's bombing of a clinic there in 1998.

BDeyeD

BDeyeD

Ottawa, ON
January 2007

JUN 19, 2007 09:15 PM

How is this not illegal? I understand the "freedom of speech" and "freedom of association" things, but what about hate speach and inciting violence? Don't they trump the former and make this sort of activity unacceptable from a legal standpoint?

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

JUN 19, 2007 09:24 PM

No because it would count as a dramatic reenactment of an event like you see on crime shows or documentaries or what not.

Rockoval

Rockoval

I'm lost
July 2006

JUN 19, 2007 09:38 PM

BDeyeD said:
How is this not illegal? I understand the "freedom of speech" and "freedom of association" things, but what about hate speach and inciting violence? Don't they trump the former and make this sort of activity unacceptable from a legal standpoint?



Who would make the standard of what acceptable free speech can be? Congress? Is it even possible for that sort of power not to be abused? Once there is a standard for what is "good free speech" as opposed to "bad free speech" you can no longer call it "free." You can have a guaranteed right of free speech and deal with these sorts of assholes, or you can have no freedom at all.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JUN 19, 2007 09:40 PM

SouthernDJ said:
Please do not lump all people of faith together with the fanatics. Just because you do not agree with a religion's ideals, does not mean that all who do are crazy murderous freaks.

The people you are talking about are not following the instructions of the faith they claim. They are beyond misguided. Terrorists who claim to be killing for religion are self proclaimed hypocrites. (This includes the crusades). People who murder to protest abortion are terrorists.

I would no sooner look at an irresponsible journalist who lets his personal feelings affect how he reports the news, and assume that all journalists are just sensationalizing the twisted facts. That would be ignorant.

And yes, this is the most ridiculous thing I've heard this week.



Read the fucking article again and show me one place where I did such a thing. Then apologize like a good Christian.

melissagiggles

melissagiggles

Akron, OH
July 2005

JUN 20, 2007 05:28 AM

BDeyeD said:
How is this not illegal? I understand the "freedom of speech" and "freedom of association" things, but what about hate speach and inciting violence? Don't they trump the former and make this sort of activity unacceptable from a legal standpoint?



The KKK is allowed to have meetings and marches in cities....I remember once in Columbus, the KKK and the NAACP were BOTH having something downtown, and they had to provide more police...!!!

polymath

polymath

I'm lost
December 2006

JUN 20, 2007 06:10 AM

Ummm.

The article summary and a number of comments have lumped the "Talk to Action" website in with the crazy religious fundies. The website is actually a watchdog of the religious right. "Theocrat of the Week" isn't honouring anyone, it's pointing out the most batshit insane religious happenings in the news.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Dickeyville, WI
August 2005

JUN 20, 2007 06:21 AM

melissagiggles said:

BDeyeD said:
How is this not illegal? I understand the "freedom of speech" and "freedom of association" things, but what about hate speach and inciting violence? Don't they trump the former and make this sort of activity unacceptable from a legal standpoint?



The KKK is allowed to have meetings and marches in cities....I remember once in Columbus, the KKK and the NAACP were BOTH having something downtown, and they had to provide more police...!!!



Did the KKK proudly do a re-enactment of Emmitt Tills lynching ?

Tallboy66

Tallboy66

USA
January 2005

JUN 20, 2007 08:01 AM

A re-enactment !? surreal

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JUN 20, 2007 10:01 AM

polymath said:
Ummm.

The article summary and a number of comments have lumped the "Talk to Action" website in with the crazy religious fundies. The website is actually a watchdog of the religious right. "Theocrat of the Week" isn't honouring anyone, it's pointing out the most batshit insane religious happenings in the news.



Right. My intention was not to lump them in. I linked to them to show I found the story through them. Apparently I wasn't clear enough.

jameaterblues

jameaterblues

Vacaville, CA
September 2006

JUN 20, 2007 10:25 AM

i think i'm going to throw up.
i couldn't even get through the whole article.

hor

hor

Minneapolis, MN
June 2005

JUN 20, 2007 11:31 AM




"hanged" "drowned"

whatever

Chainlink

Chainlink

Dickeyville, WI
August 2005

JUN 20, 2007 11:44 AM

hor said:



"hanged" "drowned"

whatever



sorry , I should have said murder. My bad.

FunkyPhantom

FunkyPhantom

Chapel Hill, NC
June 2007

JUN 20, 2007 12:36 PM

He should just say "Jesus Told me to" works for me all the time

PyronauticA

PyronauticA

Moscow, ID
July 2002

JUN 20, 2007 02:21 PM

This makes my stomach hurt. puke

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