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"Mmm... Virgins, I love 'em. No loosey-goose pussy, no skank..."

Gisele's so hot right now!

The church's stance on contraception is just unrealistic. Sure, it can be argued that if you want to be a true catholic you have to adhere to the rules, but that doesn't mean people will. What's wrong with reducing the risk when people "sin"?

"we believe he was built, and that he was a well programmed robot..."

Two or twenty virgins marry and never stray can still come up with an STD if their _husbands_ stray...

Personally, I've never understood where the Church got the idea that abortion is wrong...
I'm no expert, but I don't believe it's even mentioned in the Bible.
In fact, so far as the Bible is concerned, it would seem to me that God is all about some baby killin'.
Sodom and Gomorrah is a good example. The entire city was destroyed and I'm certain, with all the fuckin' they were accused of doing, there were some babies lying around when the place was annihilated.
And let's not forget that in Egypt God killed all the first born Egyptian sons, and some of them just had to be infants.

So, there you go.

Apparently, God has no problem with killing babies.

Well when you think about it, he wasn't BORN a priest. Now in THIS Pope's case he did go into Saint Michael Seminary in Traunstein at age 18, RIGHT after WW2, so there is a good chance he was a virgin.

BUT, thats not my point, if you look at religous/church persons all over the Earth, there are a portion of them that have found their calling in their 20's or older. So there's a chance that they've had their fun, especially in these oh so modern days that we live in.

So in some cases, they could have done many sexual things prior to taking their vows.

In my best 12-year old whining voice:

"Well...they started it!!"

In the view of the Catholic Church, abortion means cutting off a new life. The debate on "when life starts" is irrelevant at this point, I'm merely trying to explain "where they got the idea". Basically it goes down like this:

Sex leads creating a new life, abortion equals ending that new life, ending a person's life is bad.

In this light, abortion, just like murder, consists in the interruption of life by humans, this being the destruction of God's most perfect work.

The Sodom & Gomorrah and Egypt plagues analogies are not the best examples, because in both cases, "it was God's Will", which could not be prevented by human forces, whereas abortion and murder consist in acts of free will.

I find her very bland as a model, but of course she's right. I wouldn't call what she said an opinion, I would say it's pretty much fact.

oh god that'll be in the next season of futurama! lol

It has plenty of use if these two married virgins don't want to pop out kids right when they get hitched.

Oooo the magic of condoms. Sometimes everyone is thinking of STDs so much that they forget about the first and most effective function of condoms, SPERM TRAPPING!

The church's stance against contraception is not a problem if you follow all the other rules- no sex before marriage, rythm method etc. The problem is when catholics think that they should ignore fidelity rules and also not wear a condom.

Or when religious groups make it impossible for others to access contraceptive devices.

For the record, the popes opposition to contraception was not classed as an infallible statement, but a recommendation. Plenty of catholics ignore it.

nice

So in other words you are saying god is an asshole of the do what I say not what I do variety?

More like a "My house My rules" kind of guy.

Am I the only one bothered by her equating condoms to contraceptives? Yes, they're one of the items that falls under the larger umbrella of contraceptives. They're not the ONLY item. I think the argument over banning condoms and the argument over banning things like birth control are two seperate arguments that just overlap now and then. Condoms prevent babies, yes, they also prevent disease. In a lot of folk's eyes that kinda makes them okay. I mean, if you're going to fuck then at least use a condom.

Birth control on the other hand only prevents contraception (well, clears up the skin and may help with other specific uncommon maladies) and so it tends to come under a lot more fire.

Although, I admit to being ignorant about the church's stance on condoms. I'm aware they don't like birth control. And I assume they don't like condoms either if for nothing else than the fact that condoms have something to do with sex and they fucking hate that.

But then, by the same token aren't we guaranteed our free will? Shouldn't that make it against church law to outlaw things like condoms and abortion because they prevent humans from exercising their free will? Ahh, I love how the church contradicts itself.

Not to sound immature or anything but I have to quote the beautiful Selma Hayek in Kevin Smith's Dogma. "It doesn't matter what [religion] you have faith in. As long as you have faith." That to me sums up everything. All religions have their pros and cons. Well, to me I don't agree with any of them. They are not all right and they are not all wrong. They are what they are. I do agree with Gisele. Times have changed and certain views have to also.

There is absolutely no contradiction in it because even though free will is inherent to the human condition, within the rules of the catholic church it doesn't mean that you may do as you please, hence stuff such as the Ten Commandments. Humans are always in full exercise of their free will, but its misuse matters when they get to the counter.

You have the freedom to rob a liquor store, but you'll end up in jail. Same rule applies here.

Also, the church is not against all forms of birth control, but to expect them to encourage the use of artificial methods such as condoms and pills would mean that you actually are asking for the contradiction you mentioned. There are several methods that are accepted and even encouraged in their use by the catholic church, which by the way does not presume, but rather expects a certain conduct of its members. Then again, we're talking about an ideal theoretical world, which is why I mentioned earlier, some aspects of the doctrine need to be examined and updated.

Well, I didn't want to quote the whole movie. Have you seen it? The conversation was just what this topic is about. I personally don't believe in much, my thought is just what you said. If you can't prove anything, do you still believe? I wasn't trying to prove or disprove anything. I just noticed that people were missing the point. There are a lot of different religions out there and who knows (if any at all) are correct.

Wow, my dyslexia made me think the quote was:
"It doesn't matter what group your religion tells you to hate, as long as you hate someone"

2 cents: This is a world where people, by nature, are going to disagree about things which are proven and unproven: about the nature of the universe, about the beginnings of life, about the purpose of existence, and whether or not it's going to rain tomorrow. Honestly, I don't give a fuck what people believe.

I understand that religion can give people hope, can uplift the human spirit, and can inspire people do bring joy and happiness to each other. However, some (not all -- some) elements of organized religion seem so focused on dogma, that the legacy of religion is often guilt, scapegoating and divisiveness.

And really, what good is that for anyone?

I reserve my right to make fun of anyone who attempts to tell me that their worldview should have any influence on the way I live my life, or anyone who claims to have some closer relationship to a higher being than I have.
In the end, we are all really guessing about the truth, and that makes nobody better than anyone else. It gives nobody special entitlement, and it gives nobody the right to dictate to anyone else about something that an ancient book tells them.