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JoeBriefcase

JoeBriefcase

Austin, TX
June 2004

JUL 04, 2004 09:27 PM

Michael Moore has gone on record stating that downloading and watching his film Fahrenheit 9/11 is fine as long as people didn't try to make money off of it.



Although the Right has criticized Moore for making the film in order to profit from his "Anti-American" sentiment, Moore has surprised us all by saying he has enough money, thanks.



He wants to "change" the world, and if people want to download his film and view it that''s fine by him.



He told the Sunday Herald:



"I don't agree with the copyright laws and I don't have a problem with people downloading the movie and sharing it with people as long as they're not trying to make a profit off my labour. I would oppose that," he said.



"I do well enough already and I made this film because I want the world, to change. The more people who see it the better, so I'm happy this is happening."

Although his comments have pissed off some in the movie industry, he is backed up by some other directors, including Quentiin Tarrantino, who recently said he approved of people downloading his films in some situations.



And Lion's Gate, one of Moore's partners on Fahrenheit 9/11, has said as many as 150 people per hour are downloading the film, they will not attempt to stop it.



Beyond a big company so calmly allowing their product to be "stolen", there's another irony here.



While left-wing sites promote the film's message, opponents of the high-profile polemicist are urging people to "steal" their copy, thus denying its director his cut of the profits.



Last month the website of producers Lions Gate Films was subjected to a barrage of attacks by hackers, with one creating a link to a download destination on the site's front page.

Graven

Graven

Reading, MN
March 2003

JUL 04, 2004 10:06 PM

Well, now that that's settled, I'm off to see about Limewire...

DLE62276

DLE62276

I'm lost
November 2003

JUL 04, 2004 10:15 PM

what was the question again?

pomfelo

pomfelo

San Antonio, TX
February 2004

JUL 04, 2004 11:00 PM

Heh, I guess if you've already broken sales records it's not to hard to let people, you know, do what they were going to do anyway.

Okay, that's over simplified, but the high road is a bit easier with $20 something million in the bank.

Cruelty

Cruelty

Chicago, IL
June 2004

JUL 04, 2004 11:17 PM

All information WANTS to be free. There is never any way of stopping it. There never has been, and there probably never will. Being an artist of sorts, I believe in giving credit where credit is due, but once released, it has a life of its own.

hell

hell

Austin, TX
February 2003

JUL 04, 2004 11:37 PM

why does that link take me to microsoft?

alhim

alhim

Bridgeville, PA
January 2003

JUL 04, 2004 11:50 PM

I agree, but still, if you like what he is doing, show some support and pay for the movie.

Holden_Caulfield

Holden_Caulfield

Ann Arbor, MI
April 2004

JUL 04, 2004 11:56 PM

alhim said:
I agree, but still, if you like what he is doing, show some support and pay for the movie.



And most "responsible software pirates" will tell you exactly that.

Jeff_Fries

Jeff_Fries

Humptulips, WA
September 2003

JUL 05, 2004 12:04 AM

Anyone have a link?

Motionboy

Motionboy

Saint Helena
January 2004

JUL 05, 2004 12:56 AM

fucker made a killing already of course he doesnt care!

hell

hell

Austin, TX
February 2003

JUL 05, 2004 03:09 AM

I think everybody is avoiding the more important issue:
why does that link take me to microsoft?

MonsValentine

MonsValentine

Dallas, TX
May 2004

JUL 05, 2004 03:24 AM

Ali said:
fucker made a killing already of course he doesnt care!



exactly.

DiggingForFire

DiggingForFire

Boston, MA
July 2002

JUL 05, 2004 04:49 AM

hell said:
I think everybody is avoiding the more important issue:
why does that link take me to microsoft?





because whoever put the link in the article must have had a typo. the link is <a href="http://www.sundayherald.com/43167">here</a>

DiggingForFire

DiggingForFire

Boston, MA
July 2002

JUL 05, 2004 04:49 AM

Mnemesis

Mnemesis

Japan
June 2004

JUL 05, 2004 06:26 AM

oh, come on. "Of course he doesn't care, he's rich. . " HE SAID THAT. that's the point. other rich people want to screw everyone they can and get richer. He might, JUST MIGHT, want people to see the movie no matter what.
Jesus, you don't have to be cynical ALL THE TIME.
Ok, so you hate michael moore, does that mean that his every motive is suspect? He does have the right to say "No, don't steal my movie, I will prosecute." I mean, it is in fact illegal to steal a creative work. he didn't say that, though. he won't even try. so, why can't you just say, "hey, cool, good for you guy."
Lighten up.

jake_lex

jake_lex

Lexington, KY
February 2003

JUL 05, 2004 06:35 AM

Mnemesis said:
oh, come on. "Of course he doesn't care, he's rich. . " HE SAID THAT. that's the point. other rich people want to screw everyone they can and get richer. He might, JUST MIGHT, want people to see the movie no matter what.
Jesus, you don't have to be cynical ALL THE TIME.
Ok, so you hate michael moore, does that mean that his every motive is suspect? He does have the right to say "No, don't steal my movie, I will prosecute." I mean, it is in fact illegal to steal a creative work. he didn't say that, though. he won't even try. so, why can't you just say, "hey, cool, good for you guy."
Lighten up.



Yeah, he can't win with his critics, who will find some way out of everything he does to try to demonstrate he's a hypocrite. If he'd said that people who pirate his movie should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, the same people would be in here whining "See, he's just in it for the money, he just bashes Bush to make himself rich."

If you don't like the movie, or Moore's work, please come with real examples of inaccuracies (which actually wouldn't be that hard to find) and real arguments against his positions and conclusions. Don't just latch onto every story about him hoping it's some sort of "gotcha."

Zundapp1

Zundapp1

Seattle, WA
November 2003

JUL 05, 2004 07:04 AM

I'm waiting for the argument that he is undermining artists everywhere by not speaking out against the pirating, and thus a morally bankrupt individual whose works are therefore not valid.

Or something like that.

MechanicalMonkey

MechanicalMonkey

Portland, OR
June 2004

JUL 05, 2004 07:09 AM

Sure he may not prosecute you, but has he sold the rights to some multibillion dollar media corp just waiting to fuck you in the ass with a chainsaw.

Mnemesis

Mnemesis

Japan
June 2004

JUL 05, 2004 07:38 AM

umm, it said the distributor didn't care, either. . .

AkiraLi

AkiraLi

Philadelphia, PA
March 2003

JUL 05, 2004 07:55 AM

MechanicalMonkey said:
Sure he may not prosecute you, but has he sold the rights to some multibillion dollar media corp just waiting to fuck you in the ass with a chainsaw.



You didn't read the whole post did you?

[Edited on Jul 05, 2004 by Akira_Li]

Miyu

Miyu

Regina, SK
December 2003

JUL 05, 2004 08:22 AM

It has nothing to do with Moore being rich. That movie is a political and social statement. Some artists have something to say with the works they create. To him that is more important at this point.

However, I think audiences should be making a point of paying to see this particular movie instead of d'ling it. This movie is on an independant label. Yes, it would make that label vast amounts of money but it would also make a statement to the wealthier companies as well to the rest of North America.... let's make a statement about our viewing preferences instead of hiding them by hacking the movie at home.

SweetAvenue

SweetAvenue

Cincinnati, OH
February 2004

JUL 05, 2004 09:07 AM

i already paid to see it and would do so again.

iq700

iq700

Roswell, NM
October 2002

JUL 05, 2004 09:19 AM

Sisu said:
However, I think audiences should be making a point of paying to see this particular movie instead of d'ling it. This movie is on an independant label. Yes, it would make that label vast amounts of money but it would also make a statement to the wealthier companies as well to the rest of North America.... let's make a statement about our viewing preferences instead of hiding them by hacking the movie at home.



I would never pay to see a movie by Michael Moore. In my opinion, he skews the truth by only telling part of the story, or he states opinion as fact. I don't want any company associated with him to get my money. But I will gladly download it for free. I think every person, conservative or liberal should watch his movies and then do their research and make their own opinion. I have the torrent if anyone is interested.

Mnemesis

Mnemesis

Japan
June 2004

JUL 05, 2004 09:47 AM

I want to pay to see this movie, but I am in japan for a year, and they've never even HEARD of him here. What are the chances it's coming? i don't have a lot of options now.
I'm certainly considering downloading it.

sexybeast

sexybeast

Metairie, LA
July 2004

JUL 05, 2004 11:21 AM

iq700 said:

Sisu said:
However, I think audiences should be making a point of paying to see this particular movie instead of d'ling it. This movie is on an independant label. Yes, it would make that label vast amounts of money but it would also make a statement to the wealthier companies as well to the rest of North America.... let's make a statement about our viewing preferences instead of hiding them by hacking the movie at home.



I would never pay to see a movie by Michael Moore. In my opinion, he skews the truth by only telling part of the story, or he states opinion as fact. I don't want any company associated with him to get my money. But I will gladly download it for free. I think every person, conservative or liberal should watch his movies and then do their research and make their own opinion. I have the torrent if anyone is interested.



This is the second movie i've seen by him and I regret spending the money to see this one. It had some good stuff in it but most of it was only part truth. It would be much better if it wasn't just his opinion that he was stating. And Moore wants people to see the movie so people can hear his side, I think everyone who wants to see it should d/l it.

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