R.I.P. Kurt Cobain

the question about mourning people you dont know... this is a totally good question.. seriously. i didn't hurt that much when Kurt died.. i was 14.. i didn't know what was going on then. but recently... when elliott smith died.. suicide also.. i struggled with this a lot..and i still do.. because i'm a huge elliott fan and .. i wanted to know why it hurt so much.. i feel i am a fairly rational person.. i'm not a psycho fan.. etc.

one of the conclusions i came to was this: even though i didnt know elliott personally i felt like in some way he knew me. he (his music) was there in the background for so many important things in my life.. his music was the soundtrack to me falling in love with the person i've been with for the past 4 years..it was *always* there for me.. some of us have very strong emotional attachments to music.... and that attachment for the music, quite logically.. can manifest itself in the person that created it.. so of course it will hurt when they pass away..

I'm not so sure you can just categorically call suicide a selfish act like that. I doubt that people weigh consequences rationally in terms of what other people left behind realistically will have to face after they've killed themselves. When you are really at such an absolute bottom that you cannot see another way out than death, I can't imagine it as some sort of easy, cowardly decision that you see as an abdication. Probably it's just the lesser of two unspeakably painful evils at that point.

Yeah, mental illness is really something to be ashamed of.

"it's one of the most selfish things anyone could do. "
even Courtney is not reading, I'm. and My father committed a suicide so please don't judge. you don't know.

I can't sit here and say it isn't his fault he got hooked on the soup, but at the same time, he grew up in a really f-ed up environment that led to his self-destructive tendencies. Then all of the sudden he's one of the biggest things in music history. I can't imagine the shit that would do to my head, especially if I'd already been down a dark road.

I'm lucky in that I grew up in a good home without ever being in need of family, food, clothing or shelter, so I can't imagine having to fend for myself in a lumber town as a misunderstood artist.

H-boy: I understand your points on being frustrated with the effects of his (or other drug addicts) decisions, but maybe on a day where people are trying to remember him for being an influential artist and someone who greatly affected many people's lives you could take it easy on the soapbox. With no disrespect to your views or voice, there's a time and a place, but I don't think this is one of them.

Saying this as a person and a fan of Kurt Cobain's.

You are totally right about that. I was simply trying to flip the coin on Kurt being called selfish for leaving her behind, by stating her current events. I like to debate all sides, forgive me. The whole event 10 years ago, leading to today has been a spherical series of events. Like Mulder's poster said "the truth is out there"..

ahh crap, i referred to Mulder, which leads to conspiracy theories! Guess i just broke that rule!!

RIP Kurt. Hard to believe it has been that long.

ok, this is turning into a current events type decision meaning i'm out as i can not have discussions like that.

my opinions are mine. yours are yours.
i'm happy that way.

okay, im tired with chasing this thread. Why some people need to turn it into a war of comments, is beyond me. Kurt is gone. We cant bring him back. And i will never forget the day it was announced. I had been a fan since i was 11, he died when i was 14. I even cried when he married Courtney because he was my first post NKOTB crush.

signing off..
catty

wow, thanks everyone for the messages today and the cool posts here. listening to 91x today and reading Spin mags' tribute is really rewarding, seeing how all the other musicians and industry people felt about nirvana. today is kind of hard but it's also the 6 month anniversary for me and my g-friend so it's o.k. but Thank You everybody! the show at Seattle Center Arena in '94 (last American show) is still the best concert i've ever been to.

and for you fuckers who bother to go to a thread like this, then slag kurt cobain and anybody who loved him...

you don't understand. and that's another reason why nirvana's music is so cool.

because assholes like you don't get it.


"I don't feel the least bit guilty for exploiting a completely exhausted Rock Youth Culture because, at this point in rock history, Punk Rock (while still sacred to some) is, to me, dead and gone. We just wanted to pay tribute to something that helped us feel as though we crawled out of the dung heap of conformity. To pay tribute like an Elvis or Jimi Hendrix impersonator in the tradition of a bar band. I'll be the first to admit that we're the 90's version of Cheap Trick or The Knack but the last to admit that it hasn't been rewarding.

At this point I have a request for our fans. if any of you in any way hate homosexuals, people of different color, or women, please do this one favor for us - leave us the fuck alone! Don't come to our shows and don't buy our records."

- kc, from the liner notes to Incesticide




r.i.p. brother. you're always missed.

I will add that I think Dave Grohl is an amazing drummer and I'd love to shake his hand...yes hand.

Nicely said. *considers self put in place on subject, bites togue, leaves room*

thanks for posting the quote...

Thank you. In the end, what matters is that he helped create some of the most beautiful music our generation has seen. And love him or hate him, you can't deny his influence upon music today. kurtdiedfayasins also mentioned that there's another reason. This is so true. Their albums got me through some of the saddest and happiest times of my life, just to be able to know that at some point, there was someone out there who understood.

I have alot to say on this subject. I get so emotional about things I really believe in. I saw Nirvana back in 1993 and I tried all damn day to find my ticket stub to post without any luck. I often think about how I held three Nirvana tickets in my hand that night. My brother in_flames wanted to go with me so bad and I had already invited someone else to go. This left him out to dry. Sadly, I told him that he would be able to see them when they came back.....Kurt didn't live to come back. So to my awesome brother please forgive me. I hope one day to make it up to you.

If you have never checked out justiceforkurt.com I highly recommend it. I wrote an entire speech on the subject of Kurt possibly being murdered. I was going to post a link to it, but I decided it wouldn't be in my best interest. This website will open your eyes to FACTS not speculation..so I hope someone will take the time to visit it.

I miss the music. I think Kurt had so much more to contribute. Everyones entitled to their opinion and mine is that Kurt didn't kill himself. I think all the bashers should quit saying what they hear from the news and possibly try to formulate an opinion based on facts. Wether you believe he did hold that shotgun to his mouth or not he STILL was the VOICE of a generation. MY GENERATION!

R.I.P Kurt. I will never stop listening to your words.

Click Here for a 1 hour interview on BBC radio on issues surrounding Kurts death. It's VERY interesting.

~MG



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10 years have just flown by, I'll never forget when and where I was when I heard. I watched the 'Grunge' scene change the face of popular music and open the doors for many musicians.

A lot of folks have suggested that people listen to Alice in Chains today and remember Lyne Staley, I'd add The Temple of the Dog album to that list... I'll never forget seeing AIC on teh headbangers ball when they played Temple of the Dog and one of the guys telling the home audiance to 'Listen to this, it's important'.

Herion hates you:
RIP Kurt, Layne & Andrew ...

it will never stop. sorry to say.

realistically, as long as musicians are people, and people feel pain or emptiness, it will never stop.

it's like asking when teenagers will stop being depressed.

This is a thread meant to commemorate Kurt on a site with naked chicks. Let's get back to its roots.

I was always a bigger AiC fan than Nirvana fan. They won me over HARD with their Headbanger's Ball appearances. In a way, Layne's death almost hit me more. Even though it was less of a surprise, but it also happened during the peak of my junkiedom. I think "wake up" by Mad Season was the soundtrack to my life for quite a while. And when he died, the volume turned way up.

I love Kurt, but Layne died for my sins....interestingly...according to coroner estimates...on the exact same day.

Wow, ten fucking years. I was sixteen at the time. Where did the decade go?

RIP KC

and Brad.

"the reason one person becomes addicted and another does not seems to depend on physical, developmental, psychosocial, and environmental factors as well as on genetic predisposition" (Varcarolis, 2002, Foundations of psychiatric Mental Health Nursing 4th ed.)

Kayla said:
I doubt he was a horrible person. I just don't see why he was so special. Most of you didn't know him personally, so why mourn him?

I just don't get all this mourning of peopel that you don't know.



Perhaps we did not know Kurt on a personal level but that doesn't mean he did not affect us personally. Nirvana introduced me to a world of music. I think Nirvana's music helped me in a lot of situations in my life. I did not know Gandhi, Martin Luther King, John Lennon, or Shannon Hoon, that doesn't mean I can't mourn their death and that they didn't affect my life.



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