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motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

JUN 22, 2008 02:57 PM

no, Kim Jong Il's opinion doesn't matter to me at all. why would i allow someone who is basically a real-life James Bond villain to have any sway over my actions and views?

LSlice

LSlice

Montclair, NJ
December 2007

JUN 22, 2008 02:59 PM

stockula said:

MrCrisp said:
so?



It doesn't matter to you that the leader of the most inhumane and cruel regime in the world would like to see Barack Obama as president of the US? Why do you think that is?




Or maybe he's faking you out and wants to see McCain as president, so he's saying he wants Obama to be president because he knows americans hate him (kim jong il) Seriously that guy is nuts who cares what he thinks?

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

Knoxville, TN
OLD SKOOL

JUN 22, 2008 03:00 PM

stockula said:

MrCrisp said:
so?



It doesn't matter to you that the leader of the most inhumane and cruel regime in the world would like to see Barack Obama as president of the US? Why do you think that is?



If I was Kim Jong Il and I was as aware of the US' opinion of myself as I'm sure he is, I'd sure as hell endorse the guy I didn't want to win and hope public opinion of myself tainted him.

EDIT: Crap, I just agreed with LSlice. It hurts, mommy.

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

JUN 22, 2008 03:01 PM

Hooraydiation said:

stockula said:

MrCrisp said:
so?



It doesn't matter to you that the leader of the most inhuman and cruel regime in the world would like to see Barack Obama as president of the US? Why do you think that is?



Why do you think that is?



Because he sees Obama as weak, malleable, and unlikely to end his regime. He probably figures he can actually get him to supply him with commodities in exchange for promises.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

JUN 22, 2008 03:07 PM

McCain is only slightly more likely to end Kim's reign than Obama, for the simple reason that the DPRK is an enemy that has a pretty strong chance of beating us. we could win, of course--we have the military might. but we don't have the will to fight the kind of war that Korea could very well become.

the difference is that McCain is more likely to ruin us and ruin Korea--north and south--by trying.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

Charleston, SC
August 2004

JUN 22, 2008 03:19 PM

stockula said:

MrCrisp said:
so?



It doesn't matter to you that the leader of the most inhumane and cruel regime in the world would like to see Barack Obama as president of the US? Why do you think that is?



the concept of peaceful resolution is really hard for you to understand and appreciate, isn't it? there isn't a legitimate endorsement, nor is there any cause to believe that once obama is elected there will be any leniency or favor granted to north korea.

i'd hate to assume anything about your position, but you've made it hard to do otherwise with your blatant copy and paste job, providing no opinion of your own nor any substantial reason some newsleak without official quotes should change my opinion of obama as a presidential nominee.

stockula said:

Hooraydiation said:

stockula said:

MrCrisp said:
so?



It doesn't matter to you that the leader of the most inhuman and cruel regime in the world would like to see Barack Obama as president of the US? Why do you think that is?



Why do you think that is?



Because he sees Obama as weak, malleable, and unlikely to end his regime. He probably figures he can actually get him to supply him with commodities in exchange for promises.



source?

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

JUN 22, 2008 03:24 PM

stockula said:

MrCrisp said:
so?



It doesn't matter to you that the leader of the most inhumane and cruel regime in the world would like to see Barack Obama as president of the US? Why do you think that is?



Bush backed Obama?

Hooraydiation

Hooraydiation

Boston, MA
October 2005

JUN 22, 2008 03:29 PM

I was actually more interested in finding out the story behind the sunglasses, but thanks for cleariy stating what you were insinuating.

LostLucy

LostLucy

USA
December 2006

JUN 22, 2008 03:33 PM

Oh yawn.

Almost every world leader from Gordon Brown of the UK to Daniel Ortega of Nicaraua...

Almost everyone
is excited by the prospect of Barack Obama, save Muanmar Quadafi (sooo many spellings exist of this man's name)

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

JUN 22, 2008 03:36 PM

MrCrisp said:

stockula said:

MrCrisp said:
so?



It doesn't matter to you that the leader of the most inhumane and cruel regime in the world would like to see Barack Obama as president of the US? Why do you think that is?



the concept of peaceful resolution is really hard for you to understand and appreciate, isn't it? there isn't a legitimate endorsement, nor is there any cause to believe that once obama is elected there will be any leniency or favor granted to north korea.

i'd hate to assume anything about your position, but you've made it hard to do otherwise with your blatant copy and paste job, providing no opinion of your own nor any substantial reason some newsleak without official quotes should change my opinion of obama as a presidential nominee.

stockula said:

Hooraydiation said:

stockula said:

MrCrisp said:
so?



It doesn't matter to you that the leader of the most inhuman and cruel regime in the world would like to see Barack Obama as president of the US? Why do you think that is?



Why do you think that is?



Because he sees Obama as weak, malleable, and unlikely to end his regime. He probably figures he can actually get him to supply him with commodities in exchange for promises.



source?



What do you mean, 'source'? That's what I think, based on if I was Kim Jong-Il and thinking from what would be in my best self interest.

Varuka_Salt

Varuka_Salt

I'm lost
October 2006

JUN 22, 2008 03:42 PM

Kim Jong Ill's position < 0

Not at all meaningful

Non-issue.

Epic fail, kthnxbai.

Hooraydiation

Hooraydiation

Boston, MA
October 2005

JUN 22, 2008 03:43 PM


What do you mean, 'source'? That's what I think, based on if I was Kim Jong-Il and thinking from what would be in my best self interest.


Excluding the obvious problem of supporting the man you actually want having a negative effect on his chances which, as was said, would mean Kim Jong-Il is more likely to say he likes the guy he doesn't like.

Course, even if we thought Kim Jong-Il liked John McCain, we wouldn't hold it against McCain.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

Charleston, SC
August 2004

JUN 22, 2008 03:44 PM

stockula said:

MrCrisp said:

stockula said:

MrCrisp said:
so?



It doesn't matter to you that the leader of the most inhumane and cruel regime in the world would like to see Barack Obama as president of the US? Why do you think that is?



the concept of peaceful resolution is really hard for you to understand and appreciate, isn't it? there isn't a legitimate endorsement, nor is there any cause to believe that once obama is elected there will be any leniency or favor granted to north korea.

i'd hate to assume anything about your position, but you've made it hard to do otherwise with your blatant copy and paste job, providing no opinion of your own nor any substantial reason some newsleak without official quotes should change my opinion of obama as a presidential nominee.

stockula said:

Hooraydiation said:

stockula said:

MrCrisp said:
so?



It doesn't matter to you that the leader of the most inhuman and cruel regime in the world would like to see Barack Obama as president of the US? Why do you think that is?



Why do you think that is?



Because he sees Obama as weak, malleable, and unlikely to end his regime. He probably figures he can actually get him to supply him with commodities in exchange for promises.



source?



What do you mean, 'source'? That's what I think, based on if I was Kim Jong-Il and thinking from what would be in my best self interest.



if i was kim jong-il, i'd build a theme park named after myself for the people. what's your point? are we using your imagination as a basis for political discourse? maybe you should work for fox. or at least work on a better response to the rest of my comment.

Hunkpapa

Hunkpapa

United Kingdom
June 2004

JUN 22, 2008 03:50 PM

LostLucy said:
Oh yawn.

Almost every world leader from Gordon Brown of the UK to Daniel Ortega of Nicaraua...

Almost everyone
is excited by the prospect of Barack Obama, save Muanmar Quadafi (sooo many spellings exist of this man's name)



Genuine question - has Brown actually expressed support for Obama? I don't recall hearing any of the three party leaders over here ever express a preference. Indeed, I'd say they're more likely to be at pains to appear neutral. But I could have missed something. Not that it looks like Brown is likely to be in his job long enough to form a decent working relationship with whoever the next US President is...

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

JUN 22, 2008 03:52 PM

Hunkpapa said:

LostLucy said:
Oh yawn.

Almost every world leader from Gordon Brown of the UK to Daniel Ortega of Nicaraua...

Almost everyone
is excited by the prospect of Barack Obama, save Muanmar Quadafi (sooo many spellings exist of this man's name)



Genuine question - has Brown actually expressed support for Obama? I don't recall hearing any of the three party leaders over here ever express a preference. Indeed, I'd say they're more likely to be at pains to appear neutral. But I could have missed something. Not that it looks like Brown is likely to be in his job long enough to form a decent working relationship with whoever the next US President is...



He's going to be gone soon. It doesn't matter what he thinks.

Spirit_Bear

Spirit_Bear

Rochester, NH
May 2008

JUN 22, 2008 03:55 PM

stockula said:

Hooraydiation said:

stockula said:

MrCrisp said:
so?



It doesn't matter to you that the leader of the most inhuman and cruel regime in the world would like to see Barack Obama as president of the US? Why do you think that is?



Why do you think that is?



Because he sees Obama as weak, malleable, and unlikely to end his regime. He probably figures he can actually get him to supply him with commodities in exchange for promises.



ohhhh. I am sorry I forgot it was "this" governments responsibility to change the regimes of other country's.........maybe ( just maybe ) under Obama we can start to change the way 90% of the world feels about us through peaceful negotiations and talk rather then endless war.
Also do you mean supply North Korea with commodities in the way the Bush ( both ) administration did with the Bin Laden family and the Taliban???? (Just wondering)

LostLucy

LostLucy

USA
December 2006

JUN 22, 2008 03:57 PM

Hunkpapa said:

LostLucy said:
Oh yawn.

Almost every world leader from Gordon Brown of the UK to Daniel Ortega of Nicaraua...

Almost everyone
is excited by the prospect of Barack Obama, save Muanmar Quadafi (sooo many spellings exist of this man's name)



Genuine question - has Brown actually expressed support for Obama? I don't recall hearing any of the three party leaders over here ever express a preference. Indeed, I'd say they're more likely to be at pains to appear neutral. But I could have missed something. Not that it looks like Brown is likely to be in his job long enough to form a decent working relationship with whoever the next US President is...



To be fair, Brown is as this article says anxious to show no preference,

however, Brown and Obama have been in conversations, and beyond being described as friends, Obama has come out backing Brown.

But you tell me smile

Rude_Ruca

Rude_Ruca

I'm lost
December 2004

JUN 22, 2008 04:07 PM

LostLucy said:

Hunkpapa said:

LostLucy said:
Oh yawn.

Almost every world leader from Gordon Brown of the UK to Daniel Ortega of Nicaraua...

Almost everyone
is excited by the prospect of Barack Obama, save Muanmar Quadafi (sooo many spellings exist of this man's name)



Genuine question - has Brown actually expressed support for Obama? I don't recall hearing any of the three party leaders over here ever express a preference. Indeed, I'd say they're more likely to be at pains to appear neutral. But I could have missed something. Not that it looks like Brown is likely to be in his job long enough to form a decent working relationship with whoever the next US President is...



To be fair, Brown is as this article says anxious to show no preference,

however, Brown and Obama have been in conversations, and beyond being described as friends, Obama has come out backing Brown.

But you tell me smile



Hey, Lucy, this is SOOOO OT, but I just wanted to let you know, that last thread was being locked as I was replying to your last comment...as I was saying....

glad you understand, and to what you said: you got it wink

Hunkpapa

Hunkpapa

United Kingdom
June 2004

JUN 22, 2008 04:12 PM

LostLucy said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Hunkpapa said:

LostLucy said:
Oh yawn.

Almost every world leader from Gordon Brown of the UK to Daniel Ortega of Nicaraua...

Almost everyone
is excited by the prospect of Barack Obama, save Muanmar Quadafi (sooo many spellings exist of this man's name)



Genuine question - has Brown actually expressed support for Obama? I don't recall hearing any of the three party leaders over here ever express a preference. Indeed, I'd say they're more likely to be at pains to appear neutral. But I could have missed something. Not that it looks like Brown is likely to be in his job long enough to form a decent working relationship with whoever the next US President is...




To be fair, Brown is as this article says anxious to show no preference,

however, Brown and Obama have been in conversations, and beyond being described as friends, Obama has come out backing Brown.

But you tell me smile



Well... apparently, Brown is hopeful that Obama will visit Downing Street next month, but that's probably as much for the sake of appearing balanced as anything.



SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JUN 22, 2008 05:11 PM

stockula said:

MrCrisp said:

stockula said:

MrCrisp said:
so?



It doesn't matter to you that the leader of the most inhumane and cruel regime in the world would like to see Barack Obama as president of the US? Why do you think that is?



the concept of peaceful resolution is really hard for you to understand and appreciate, isn't it? there isn't a legitimate endorsement, nor is there any cause to believe that once obama is elected there will be any leniency or favor granted to north korea.

i'd hate to assume anything about your position, but you've made it hard to do otherwise with your blatant copy and paste job, providing no opinion of your own nor any substantial reason some newsleak without official quotes should change my opinion of obama as a presidential nominee.

stockula said:

Hooraydiation said:

stockula said:

MrCrisp said:
so?



It doesn't matter to you that the leader of the most inhuman and cruel regime in the world would like to see Barack Obama as president of the US? Why do you think that is?



Why do you think that is?



Because he sees Obama as weak, malleable, and unlikely to end his regime. He probably figures he can actually get him to supply him with commodities in exchange for promises.



source?



What do you mean, 'source'? That's what I think, based on if I was Kim Jong-Il and thinking from what would be in my best self interest.



Then state it as an opinion, not as a fact.

BatAttaK

BatAttaK

Seattle, WA
OLD SKOOL

JUN 22, 2008 05:18 PM

SockPuppet said:

stockula said:

What do you mean, 'source'? That's what I think, based on if I was Kim Jong-Il and thinking from what would be in my best self interest.



Then state it as an opinion, not as a fact.



GASP!! Stockula's confused on the differences between opinion and fact?? SHOCKER!!!! eeek eeek eeek eeek eeek eeek eeek eeek

RedBstrd

RedBstrd

Pomona, CA
April 2004

JUN 22, 2008 05:31 PM

Stockula,

When you are done gleefully masturbating to the news that Kim Jong Il unsurprisingly prefers a candidate that supports dialogue, why don't you compile a list of world leaders that prefer McCain over Obama? If nations that are our friends back McCain and nations that are our enemies back Obama, then you might be on to something. If our friends and enemies alike prefer Obama, then you're offering a confirmation bias by just picking examples that fit your stance.

By all indications I have seen, most people around the world prefer Obama.
World population prefers Obama.
Asians prefer Obama.
Cuban anti-Castro dissidents prefer Obama.
Canadians prefer Obama.
Young people with internet prefer Obama.
Iranians who want normalized relations with the US prefer Obama.
Etc.

LostLucy

LostLucy

USA
December 2006

JUN 22, 2008 06:53 PM

RedBstrd said:
Stockula,

When you are done gleefully masturbating to the news that Kim Jong Il unsurprisingly prefers a candidate that supports dialogue, why don't you compile a list of world leaders that prefer McCain over Obama? If nations that are our friends back McCain and nations that are our enemies back Obama, then you might be on to something. If our friends and enemies alike prefer Obama, then you're offering a confirmation bias by just picking examples that fit your stance.

By all indications I have seen, most people around the world prefer Obama.
World population prefers Obama.
Asians prefer Obama.
Cuban anti-Castro dissidents prefer Obama.
Canadians prefer Obama.
Young people with internet prefer Obama.
Iranians who want normalized relations with the US prefer Obama.
Etc.



Thanks smile

I was too lazzzzzzzyyyyy to list more citations...

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

JUN 22, 2008 07:55 PM

stockula said:

MrCrisp said:
so?



It doesn't matter to you that the leader of the most inhumane and cruel regime in the world would like to see Barack Obama as president of the US? Why do you think that is?

I could really care less, even if Kim Jong-Il preferred McCain over Obama. This posting is an irrelevant and pathetic attempt to vilify Obama whist pandering to fear. I suppose you might elicit a warranted response should you have repackaged the story with some form of commentary or critique of the article. Instead, you've simply pasted it, offering absolutely no context. If you want to have a discussion over Obama's diplomatic approach to foreign policy, then do so, just don't frame behind an article devoid of substance.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

JUN 22, 2008 07:56 PM

RedBstrd said:
Stockula,

When you are done gleefully masturbating to the news that Kim Jong Il unsurprisingly prefers a candidate that supports dialogue, why don't you compile a list of world leaders that prefer McCain over Obama? If nations that are our friends back McCain and nations that are our enemies back Obama, then you might be on to something. If our friends and enemies alike prefer Obama, then you're offering a confirmation bias by just picking examples that fit your stance.

By all indications I have seen, most people around the world prefer Obama.
World population prefers Obama.
Asians prefer Obama.
Cuban anti-Castro dissidents prefer Obama.
Canadians prefer Obama.
Young people with internet prefer Obama.
Iranians who want normalized relations with the US prefer Obama.
Etc.

And most importantly, lets not forget that Americans also prefer Obama's diplomatic approach. smile

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