John Hagee Interview

i view it as being somewhat important--not as important as, say, his stance on the 'war' in Iraq, but important enough to be a factor--because it's indicative of whose values he's likely to champion. i'm not going to vote for McCain anyway, but if i were, this would be something that would make me question my choice, and it's certainly another reason for me to hope he doesn't win. in an indirect way, a vote for McCain is a vote for Creationism in biology class and outlawing dancing.

This has been the biggest Republican base for a long, long time. I guess what I'm saying is, I view it more as a reflection of the Republican Party than of McCain in particular.

true enough.

I liked the comparison of the camp to bait-and-switch cultist methods.

bleagh. as little a fan i am of conservative christianity, i've gotta say i don't see anything in that article that i wouldn't see in an article written by a conservative christian who'd visited, for instance, a gay pride parade. the faux bewilderment, the complete inability and lack of willingness to even try understand--it's profoundly disturbing to me how similar opposing paradigms can be, in terms of tactics and mental tricks used to bolster themselves.

There was an interesting piece possibly from Politico or RCP, I believe, about the double standard in play here. How Hagee, Robertson, Fawell, et. all can say fantastically retarded things in public and get away with it without losing any drag with the GOP. Compared to Wright who is viewed as a dangerous America-hating black radical.

Obviously race is the easy answer, but I think it's more complex than that. McCain won't have to explain to his supporters Hagee's insane comments because many of the people he's wooing by getting the endorsement already agree with them. Also one of the reasons why Wright was so damaging to the Obama campaign was because it was used along with his wife's comments and the flag lapel 'issue' to point to a pattern of Obama being anti-American or unpatriotic, an issue Republicans in general and McCain in specific are largerly immune to. Which one would hope that anyone serving as a U.S. Senator is largerly immune to. No such luck.

Yes it's disgusting how John McCain sat in the pews for 20 years and absorbed this garbage.

Oh wait a minute, he didn't. He received an unsolicited endorsement from him.

It's pretty pathetic this attempt to equate McCain's endorsement from some Bible-thumper with Obama's long and deep relationship with Jerimiah Wright

really?

It's pretty pathetic that McCain thinks a gas tax holiday is going to fix America's economy, even if it costs us the funds necessary to repair and maintain our crumbling highway infrastructure and that we're discussing this shit instead of that. You want to make a Wright an issue, fine he is, and all the exit polling says that despite the manufactured issue, it didn't have an effect on the vote of an overwhelming majority of people. But if pastors and endorsers are going to be issues, than we're at least going to examine and discuss Hagee, since his endorsement matters a lot more than Hamas' so-called endorsement of Obama. And your asserition that it was unsolicited is an utter lie:

Source is a FOX News Editorial

I was on these boards in '04 Stockula, I remember your rampant horseshit about Kerry not having really served his country in Vietnam and that his knowledge of European culture and languages made him unfit to lead.

By all means, you're still welcome to play the same game all over again, but it's four years later, Americans are four years smarter and I'll put up cash money that says they don't fall for the same trick twice.

The whole thing smells suspiciously like Scientology. "Primal wounds" and "ruined normals", indeed.

He must have missed that first link in my original post. You know, the one that talks about McCain soliciting the endorsement.

stockula, do - some - damn - research. you are pretty much the only person on the planet claiming that McCain didn't actively seek Hagee's endorsement. even McCain's own campaign managers aren't silly enough to try and deny that well-documented fact.

The word you're looking for is . . .

my philosophy has always been that it's better to prove than accuse. in a 'yo momma' fight, i pull out photographs.

Fascinating read. Thanks for the link.

I think I'm going to have to get a copy of Taibbi's book. That was both hilarious and nauseating. I love the part of him reciting a Russian song as his "speaking in tongues"

McCain pulls an Obama, denounces Hagee.

But did he denounce and reject?

yeah, he did. thank god (heh!).

Apparently some more sound bites came out today, and the one I heard sounded pro-holocaust.

Yep, it was sort of the equivalent of the final days of Rev. Wright. We're supposed to believe that McCain didn't know until now that Hagee was making statements like these.

Yeah, because Hagee has only been saying such things for his entire adult life.

Sounds like McCain had his eye on the ball the whole time.

Surprisingly, Hagee is not the only angry, hateful minister on McCain's team: