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Lemonkid

Lemonkid

Montreal, QC
May 2003

FEB 11, 2008 07:17 PM

According to my diary the Apocalypse already happened in the year 2000, so can't we all just move on?

Come on Flux, you know that Carlos Castaneda would never be so petty to let the beliefs of the people he was writing about get in the way of the beliefs he had about what the beliefs should be about the people he was writing about. That would be like, totally unhip man.

Flux

Flux

SUICIDEGIRL

North Carolina, USA

FEB 11, 2008 07:19 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:

Flux said:
The calendar in question is the Long Count, a record of specific days about which entire books are written (I know this because I spent a lot of time in the UNC library's Maya section for this article (you people are so spoiled) and whose complicated and fascinating particularities are frankly too much for the scope of this article. Wiki that business or pick up Prudence M. Rice's Maya Calendar Origins. The part that gets the doomsdayers so excited is the cycle of 13 b'ak'tuns (one b'ak'tun being 144,000 days) which happens to end in 2012. They have interpreted the "Mayan Bible" Popol Wuj's tale of the destruction of human races prior to our own (and similar Aztec cyclical creation traditions) to mean that at the end of this "Great Cycle," shit's going down.


Ahem.

Did you miss a closing parenthesis?



I think they were edited out by Erin; my original has them in.

Flux

Flux

SUICIDEGIRL

North Carolina, USA

FEB 11, 2008 07:21 PM

shapeshifter23 said:

A good book for anyone interested in finding their way into this whole topic is 2012: The Return Of Quetzalcoatl by Daniel Pinchbeck. He explores some pretty far out territory and considers it from a lot of different angles. Excellent writer, too....



See, I loved Breaking Open the Head but found 2012... to be an awful, rambling, self-important mess.

TwelveTone

TwelveTone

Bay City, MI
April 2007

FEB 11, 2008 07:25 PM

But the Mayans said it so it must be true!!!@$@#%! frown

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

FEB 11, 2008 07:33 PM

I am so glad you are writing for the site. This is a great article. I can't wait to learn more from you.

Squire

Squire

Milwaukee, WI
November 2003

FEB 11, 2008 07:48 PM

Flux said:

shapeshifter23 said:

A good book for anyone interested in finding their way into this whole topic is 2012: The Return Of Quetzalcoatl by Daniel Pinchbeck. He explores some pretty far out territory and considers it from a lot of different angles. Excellent writer, too....



See, I loved Breaking Open the Head but found 2012... to be an awful, rambling, self-important mess.



Much like Pinchbeck . . .

Messidor

Messidor

San Francisco, CA
December 2002

FEB 11, 2008 08:07 PM

Shouldn't we be more concerned about 2112 (by Rush)?

imclever

imclever

Kent, WA
February 2007

FEB 11, 2008 08:26 PM

Wow, finally a mention of 2012 with a heavy dose of SANITY.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

FEB 11, 2008 08:46 PM

Flux said:

TheFuckOffKid said:

Flux said:
The calendar in question is the Long Count, a record of specific days about which entire books are written (I know this because I spent a lot of time in the UNC library's Maya section for this article (you people are so spoiled) and whose complicated and fascinating particularities are frankly too much for the scope of this article. Wiki that business or pick up Prudence M. Rice's Maya Calendar Origins. The part that gets the doomsdayers so excited is the cycle of 13 b'ak'tuns (one b'ak'tun being 144,000 days) which happens to end in 2012. They have interpreted the "Mayan Bible" Popol Wuj's tale of the destruction of human races prior to our own (and similar Aztec cyclical creation traditions) to mean that at the end of this "Great Cycle," shit's going down.


Ahem.

Did you miss a closing parenthesis?



I think they were edited out by Erin; my original has them in.



All hail Erin! All hail ((nested) parenthesian) dischordia!

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

FEB 11, 2008 08:47 PM

Fuck. It's like I'm turning into Tardo. blackeyed

LostLucy

LostLucy

USA
December 2006

FEB 11, 2008 09:15 PM


Flux said


That is the real legacy of the Maya; that's the 2012 consciousness shift. We aren't any more likely to be struck by an asteroid or have the feathered serpent come sodomize our minds. We will however, learn to make sacrifice.



Indeed, excellent job!! And nice explanation for those of us who really only understood


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Light_Bringer

Light_Bringer

Raleigh, NC
October 2007

FEB 11, 2008 09:33 PM

When we die, then we die. It's just that simple.

TakFuji

TakFuji

I'm lost
February 2006

FEB 11, 2008 09:42 PM

Great article.

The comments tangents rock for sheer entertainment value.

Being my usual, somewhat pedantic self, I say, Let's why not save the planet just in case it doesn't end on schedule, m'kay?

Sempi

Sempi

Novato, CA
February 2003

FEB 11, 2008 09:51 PM

Lovely article. 2012 signals the end of the black years. Personally I'm keeping my eye on 2015. That's the year shit's really suppose to hit the fan.

DeusExMachina

DeusExMachina

Berkeley, CA
August 2004

FEB 11, 2008 10:29 PM

I know I am going to have read this again in the morning when I am awake/sober. But for now I want to hear more about this:

... or have the feathered serpent come sodomize our minds.



I mean, I have been having a lot of migraines lately....

Oh yeah, I especially like that the world ends on the Winter Solstice...is that a Mayan thing, or a new age thing?

Sid

Sid

SUICIDEGIRL

Colorado, USA

FEB 11, 2008 10:37 PM

As someone who's both studied Mesoamerican Archaeology and who has been to Mayan ruins, I really appreciate this article. Thank you.

The tour guide for the Ruins of Tulum (who was genuine Maya himself) made it his duty to point out that the date of 12/21/12 isn't believed to be the day the world ends by the Maya, but it is a reoccurring date on many Mayan items.

And to those who do think the world will end that day, I suggest you all go visit Tulum before it does. It's a beautiful place.

DeusExMachina

DeusExMachina

Berkeley, CA
August 2004

FEB 11, 2008 10:43 PM

Flux said:

shapeshifter23 said:
Some Stuff



Perhaps, Star Warrior, but all those musings have been created by new-age anglos creatively appropriating and colonizing native texts instead of letting them speak for themselves.

It's exceedingly common for Western esoteric thinkers to expropriate indigenous beliefs to legitimize their theories while disregarding what these people actually believe(d). SEE: Carlos Castaneda.




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Kinbote

Kinbote

West Hollywood, CA
December 2006

FEB 11, 2008 10:44 PM

The Old Ones didn't return in 1999, and now you're saying humanity won't ascend to a transcendental utopian union with our space mother-father in 2012??

So now what do you expect me to synchronize my internal apocalypse clock to!? This definitely puts me outside of my teleological comfort zone. Anyone know when's the next regularly scheduled end-of-the-world?

comrade

comrade

Portland, OR
April 2004

FEB 11, 2008 11:13 PM

shapeshifter23 said:
I don't see anything wrong with using ancient mystical traditions as a springboard or template for intuitive speculations.



Um, if your objective is to increase the amount of bullshit in the world, then I don't see anything wrong with it, either.

hephaestos

hephaestos

Seattle, WA
June 2006

FEB 11, 2008 11:21 PM

Great article.
I always thought that the end of the Mayan Long Count signified a fundamental crisis which would render the world incomprehensible to us today. Some change that is so drastic nothing familiar remains, perhaps. I'd like to ask if this is false- a fabrication of a Western mind looking for magic- or about right.
Also, there could always be an outbreak of one of a great many nasty microorganisms we've created or are in the process of creating. These wouldn't fall on that exact date but would cause such a change in our current system. An epidemic of a genetically modified super-virus could really wipe out most of the population of the earth.

shapeshifter23

shapeshifter23

San Francisco, CA
September 2005

FEB 11, 2008 11:48 PM

comrade said:

shapeshifter23 said:
I don't see anything wrong with using ancient mystical traditions as a springboard or template for intuitive speculations.



Um, if your objective is to increase the amount of bullshit in the world, then I don't see anything wrong with it, either.



Would you like to know what my objective is? All right, I'll tell you. It is nothing less than the emergence of a new sacred and living paradigm for human civilization that might allow us to survive and evolve into the millennia ahead, in balance and reverent harmony with all life on the planet. Probably sounds like a bunch of hippie-dippy cockamamey New Age malarkey to you, I suppose, but there you have it.

You can castigate all the New Age self-styled prophets for their adulteration and exploitation of indigenous traditions, but in contrasting it with the academics who are preoccupied with historical authenticity and factual veracity, consider this. Academics and agnostic intellectuals tend to view these traditions as sterile subjects for study and debate, removed from any genuine relevance or potential application to our own lives. New Agers (and I don't deny there are many charlatans and self-deluded moneygrubbers among that whole heterodox movement) take traditional teachings and seek to creatively apply them in an agenda of personal and collective transformation. You decide which is the more worthy approach. Personally, I've never been too obsessed with or attached to orthodoxies of any stripe.

If the Mayan calendars serve as a point of departure for all sorts of metaphysical and mystical ideas and paths of creative emergence with a view toward self-knowing and wholeness, then let 2012 be a point of departure for us all.

cothebadger

cothebadger

Madison, WI
January 2008

FEB 12, 2008 12:13 AM

Well-written and seemingly well-researched!

Though I feel not at all qualified to speak authoritatively on it, I heard another theory that the earth will end upon a full repolarization event of the earth when magnetic north and south switch. I only tipped my toe into the puddle of what's available on this, but I do remember my geology TA telling me that there is strong evidence that these events occur periodically and that we're about due, give or take a few hundred year. She added that it would likely kill of a good chunk of life on earth considering that an event of such magnitude would cause a large, momentary electric field across the planet.

In that vein, what's the deal with people saying, "My professor told me"? Shouldn't we research these things on the interwebs? tongue

cothebadger

cothebadger

Madison, WI
January 2008

FEB 12, 2008 12:23 AM

Certainly not research, but see the Wiki on Geomagnetic Repolarization: However, Homo erectus and their ancestors certainly survived many previous reversals.

sitar

sitar

Philadelphia, PA
June 2004

FEB 12, 2008 12:47 AM

punk said:

Ascanius said:
Mayan Calendar:
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Traditional Chinese Calendar:
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Interesting, no?



Hmm.

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its almost as if the circle was a shape that the human psyche found symbolic and meaningful, regardless or race, culture, or geography!
no es possible!

p.s. I am organizing a killer yoga retreat in December 2012. regardless of who thinks whatever is going to happen, that thing is gonna be a par-tai!

BuckKnuckle

BuckKnuckle

Portland, OR
September 2004

FEB 12, 2008 01:01 AM

punk said:

Ascanius said:
Mayan Calendar:
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Traditional Chinese Calendar:
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Interesting, no?



Hmm.

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Humm.


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Also, excellent use of parentheses!

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