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vaporeyes

vaporeyes

New Zealand
November 2006

JAN 17, 2008 11:41 AM

You don't have to work on "Foreign Soil" anymore Blackwater has been hired to help on the War on Drugs in the US.

Imperial Rome is great analogy.

Blackwater Mercs and Returning Vets + Homeland Security = Praetorian Guard

WalMart and TV = Bread and Circus

Fluoridated Water = Lead Goblets

Bush = Caligula

History Repeating itself or do they just follow the same Manuals..

Chicken or Egg.

bok

wereduck

wereduck

I'm lost
July 2007

JAN 17, 2008 11:44 AM

Words can't even describe how ill these mercenary stories make me feel.

SirPsychoSexy

SirPsychoSexy

Ridgewood, NJ
January 2004

JAN 17, 2008 12:13 PM

RileyStClair said:

defaultx said:
Zarth nailed it.



+1



He is quite the speller.

Nessuno

Nessuno

Washington, DC
May 2006

JAN 17, 2008 12:21 PM

vaporeyes said:
You don't have to work on "Foreign Soil" anymore Blackwater has been hired to help on the War on Drugs in the US.

Imperial Rome is great analogy.

Blackwater Mercs and Returning Vets + Homeland Security = Praetorian Guard

WalMart and TV = Bread and Circus

Fluoridated Water = Lead Goblets

Bush = Caligula

History Repeating itself or do they just follow the same Manuals..

Chicken or Egg.

bok



I thought about this before too, and you're missing a couple of other comparisons.

Latinos = Barbarians is an interesting and important one. I say this as a latino. Towards decline of Rome, it's citizens went less and less into the army. So, the army recruited soldiers from the barbarians. The barbarians rose fast and Rome even saw ranked military officials who were barbarians. Some barbarians were offered the chance to come and live in the Roman Empire if they fought, though I'm not sure if they were offered citizenship though. Now we see the army recruiting latinos to help with abysmally bad recruitment.

Rome faltered when they could no longer expand north, south, east or west, due to the stagnation. The nation also saw a minority elite gain even more power then they had before, hence majority tyranny. The Federalists foresaw this problem for the US and suggested constant expansion, of course the US cannot expand indefinitely or infinitely.

PantherNesmith

PantherNesmith

Gloucester, VA
June 2006

JAN 17, 2008 12:22 PM

coyotemike said:

wildswan said:
Ugh, I feel sick.



Drink some Peppermint Schnapps. It helps.



Sweet, sweet alcohol, please take the pain of watching my government mishandle everything away.

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

JAN 17, 2008 12:29 PM

Blackwater has almost gotten to the point where even if the government cuts off funding, they would be able to "sustain themselves" by going out and starting a war to take some territory.

Given the nature of the employees (mostly extremely patriotic, and usually religious), all they need for justification is defense of US interests or some sort of christian jihad to whip up the support of their employees

Nessuno

Nessuno

Washington, DC
May 2006

JAN 17, 2008 12:29 PM

PantherNesmith said:

coyotemike said:

wildswan said:
Ugh, I feel sick.



Drink some Peppermint Schnapps. It helps.



Sweet, sweet alcohol, please take the pain of watching my government mishandle everything away.



Yes, "mishandling" >.>

code_red

code_red

Portland, OR
July 2005

JAN 17, 2008 12:38 PM

Once the government "handles" Blackwater (by that I mean, makes them move their H.Q. to another country so they can be free of U.S. Law) the secret police-- err, I mean, the Coast Guard, can take over.

(DHS is only required to give briefings to congress in closed sessions.... and it has its own branch of law enforcement which have military training and are allowed by law to act within the U.S. territories.)

OneWithAll

OneWithAll

Charlton City, MA
October 2005

JAN 17, 2008 12:44 PM

sensations of sickness, anger and helplessness

i really do hope "what goes around comes around"

but i know it won't

LostLucy

LostLucy

USA
December 2006

JAN 17, 2008 12:46 PM

PointBlank said:

ericwine said:

PointBlank said:
Ugh, it's like we gave a whole country to a bunch of mall rent-a-cops.



The difference being that mall rent-a-cops are seldom highly trained killers.



Clearly you've never tried to steal an Orange Julius at the Dedham Mall.



Or a Popeye refridgerator magnet from a Walgreen's.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

I was arrested, handcuffed, and taken away in the back of a patrol car at age 11, weighing like 70 lbs, in 1970-something shocked

mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

JAN 17, 2008 01:52 PM

The next time Blackwater thugs mess with U.S. soldiers, can't those soldiers just shoot them?

Please? Because really, these stories are simply nauseating.

coyotemike

coyotemike

Kearney, NE
May 2006

JAN 17, 2008 02:20 PM

Nessuno said:

vaporeyes said:
You don't have to work on "Foreign Soil" anymore Blackwater has been hired to help on the War on Drugs in the US.

Imperial Rome is great analogy.

Blackwater Mercs and Returning Vets + Homeland Security = Praetorian Guard

WalMart and TV = Bread and Circus

Fluoridated Water = Lead Goblets

Bush = Caligula

History Repeating itself or do they just follow the same Manuals..

Chicken or Egg.

bok



I thought about this before too, and you're missing a couple of other comparisons.

Latinos = Barbarians is an interesting and important one. I say this as a latino. Towards decline of Rome, it's citizens went less and less into the army. So, the army recruited soldiers from the barbarians. The barbarians rose fast and Rome even saw ranked military officials who were barbarians. Some barbarians were offered the chance to come and live in the Roman Empire if they fought, though I'm not sure if they were offered citizenship though. Now we see the army recruiting latinos to help with abysmally bad recruitment.

Rome faltered when they could no longer expand north, south, east or west, due to the stagnation. The nation also saw a minority elite gain even more power then they had before, hence majority tyranny. The Federalists foresaw this problem for the US and suggested constant expansion, of course the US cannot expand indefinitely or infinitely.



Good analogy.

I have this urge to become a Visigoth.

phrogg

phrogg

Greenville, SC
August 2005

JAN 17, 2008 02:27 PM

we3_pirate said:
Words can't even describe how ill these mercenary stories make me feel.



Flashback to Angola/El Salvador/Nicaragua/Freedom Fighters.

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

JAN 17, 2008 02:35 PM

Nessuno said:

vaporeyes said:
You don't have to work on "Foreign Soil" anymore Blackwater has been hired to help on the War on Drugs in the US.

Imperial Rome is great analogy.

Blackwater Mercs and Returning Vets + Homeland Security = Praetorian Guard

WalMart and TV = Bread and Circus

Fluoridated Water = Lead Goblets

Bush = Caligula

History Repeating itself or do they just follow the same Manuals..

Chicken or Egg.

bok



I thought about this before too, and you're missing a couple of other comparisons.

Latinos = Barbarians is an interesting and important one. I say this as a latino. Towards decline of Rome, it's citizens went less and less into the army. So, the army recruited soldiers from the barbarians. The barbarians rose fast and Rome even saw ranked military officials who were barbarians. Some barbarians were offered the chance to come and live in the Roman Empire if they fought, though I'm not sure if they were offered citizenship though. Now we see the army recruiting latinos to help with abysmally bad recruitment.

Rome faltered when they could no longer expand north, south, east or west, due to the stagnation. The nation also saw a minority elite gain even more power then they had before, hence majority tyranny. The Federalists foresaw this problem for the US and suggested constant expansion, of course the US cannot expand indefinitely or infinitely.


You know, I selected Late Republican rather than Imperial Rome as a historical analogy for a reason. Bush is less like Caligula than he is like, say, Servius Sulpicis Galba, and drawing an analogy of Latinos to "barbarians" is as absurd as it is offensive.

When I see Latinos talking realistically about dismembering the United States (the way, for instance, Ron Paul would), I'll start treating talk like that more seriously.

vaporeyes

vaporeyes

New Zealand
November 2006

JAN 17, 2008 02:37 PM

Nessuno said:

vaporeyes said:
You don't have to work on "Foreign Soil" anymore Blackwater has been hired to help on the War on Drugs in the US.

Imperial Rome is great analogy.

Blackwater Mercs and Returning Vets + Homeland Security = Praetorian Guard

WalMart and TV = Bread and Circus

Fluoridated Water = Lead Goblets

Bush = Caligula

History Repeating itself or do they just follow the same Manuals..

Chicken or Egg.

bok



I thought about this before too, and you're missing a couple of other comparisons.

Latinos = Barbarians is an interesting and important one. I say this as a latino. Towards decline of Rome, it's citizens went less and less into the army. So, the army recruited soldiers from the barbarians. The barbarians rose fast and Rome even saw ranked military officials who were barbarians. Some barbarians were offered the chance to come and live in the Roman Empire if they fought, though I'm not sure if they were offered citizenship though. Now we see the army recruiting latinos to help with abysmally bad recruitment.

Rome faltered when they could no longer expand north, south, east or west, due to the stagnation. The nation also saw a minority elite gain even more power then they had before, hence majority tyranny. The Federalists foresaw this problem for the US and suggested constant expansion, of course the US cannot expand indefinitely or infinitely.



The United States did expand into Empire and can only continue its expansion as long as the rest of world buys US Dollars and funds our Deficits. The Federal Reserve did a great job by printing us enough. Only problem is the Dollar is no longer being accepted as the Reserve Currency.

So in order for America to retain its Empire it will have to restructure its Economy and Work force.

How will that look?

Ask the Army they have it all figured out for you.

http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf

Aren't they great like that.

If they wanted to stop the flood of "Barbarians" its really easy.

Those new fangled Active Denial Systems the Air Force unveiled as part of the kindler gentler Microwave Direct Energy beams that have been call the "Pain Ray"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

Set them up with some remote drones and Zap, Zap your troubles away.

It would certainly deny access.

"Ay Muy Caliente! Vaminos arriba!"

If your argument is that it is Cruel or Inhumane, I tend to agree.

But consider that this nasty device is meant for American Citizens.

Its technically illegal under Geneva Conventions to use in combat, but OK for folks at home.

Oh and this photo is for the guy asking for Mandalorian Battle Armor

eeek zoom imagefor

Horrorflick

Horrorflick

Detroit, MI
February 2003

JAN 17, 2008 02:37 PM

Well, I'm waiting. No, seriously. Some right-wing gun nut type asshole out there has got to come to the aid of brownwater and defend these righteous, patriotic guardians of the american way.

PsylentNemo

PsylentNemo

Honolulu, HI
November 2007

JAN 17, 2008 02:53 PM

While I cannot speak to the actions of what has been accused, or what ammouts to a crap ton of "he said/she said," do you all really honestly believe that there are large groups of people in Iraq killing and threatening other people, completely unprovoked? You really think that the government hired people so stone cold that they kill with no remorse?

I know a lot of these people. A lot of these people are good friends of mine, to include people that I served with in the military when we were there for it from the get go. These people are loving, carring people, that more often than not, would rather sit around and drink chai and make jokes with Iraqis, rather than shoot at them. They are also intellegent people (we don't just let anyone carry a gun over there) the at the first sign of mental instability would be stripped of all weapons and forced back to a forward opperating base until the can rotate back to the world.

Don't believe me? Think I'm coming to their aid cause I'm a "right-wing gun nut type asshole". Fuck you. I'm a man that did a job, and did it to the best of my ability, without ever compromising my morals or ethics. Before you sit there in your comfy chair and whine and bitch about how terrible these people are, go over there and get shot at for a few months. Get blown up a couple of times. Then sit there and tell me that these men and women are unjustified in defending themselves.

vaporeyes

vaporeyes

New Zealand
November 2006

JAN 17, 2008 02:55 PM

Zarth said:

Nessuno said:

vaporeyes said:
You don't have to work on "Foreign Soil" anymore Blackwater has been hired to help on the War on Drugs in the US.

Imperial Rome is great analogy.

Blackwater Mercs and Returning Vets + Homeland Security = Praetorian Guard

WalMart and TV = Bread and Circus

Fluoridated Water = Lead Goblets

Bush = Caligula

History Repeating itself or do they just follow the same Manuals..

Chicken or Egg.

bok



I thought about this before too, and you're missing a couple of other comparisons.

Latinos = Barbarians is an interesting and important one. I say this as a latino. Towards decline of Rome, it's citizens went less and less into the army. So, the army recruited soldiers from the barbarians. The barbarians rose fast and Rome even saw ranked military officials who were barbarians. Some barbarians were offered the chance to come and live in the Roman Empire if they fought, though I'm not sure if they were offered citizenship though. Now we see the army recruiting latinos to help with abysmally bad recruitment.

Rome faltered when they could no longer expand north, south, east or west, due to the stagnation. The nation also saw a minority elite gain even more power then they had before, hence majority tyranny. The Federalists foresaw this problem for the US and suggested constant expansion, of course the US cannot expand indefinitely or infinitely.


You know, I selected Late Republican rather than Imperial Rome as a historical analogy for a reason. Bush is less like Caligula than he is like, say, Servius Sulpicis Galba, and drawing an analogy of Latinos to "barbarians" is as absurd as it is offensive.

When I see Latinos talking realistically about dismembering the United States (the way, for instance, Ron Paul would), I'll start treating talk like that more seriously.



Doesn't the Mexican "Raza" agenda called "Plan of San Diego" And La Reconquista ?

From what I know those they talk of the exact things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VSDiiRJMcg

If you have lived in LA and seen the Billboards claiming "LA is Mexico" then you know there are people who have started doing exactly that.

http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/060129_sandiego.htm

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

JAN 17, 2008 03:08 PM

vaporeyes said:
Doesn't the Mexican "Raza" agenda called "Plan of San Diego" And La Reconquista ?

From what I know those they talk of the exact things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VSDiiRJMcg

If you have lived in LA and seen the Billboards claiming "LA is Mexico" then you know there are people who have started doing exactly that.

http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/060129_sandiego.htm


Umm, yeah. Bulletin Flash, Kiwi: Links to white supremacist propaganda websites don't count as

Zarth sad:
. . . Latinos talking realistically about dismembering the United States . . .


Why don't you go back to giving smallpox-infected blankets to Maoris or something, and leave the discussion of Imperial politics to Imperial citizens?

Dinah

Dinah

SUICIDEGIRL

New Mexico, USA

JAN 17, 2008 03:10 PM

I don't know what to say. PsylentNemo, I understand your anger and appreciate your input because most of us civilians would never be able to begin to dream of how it's like over there, so thank you for bringing that to our attention. Media has always followed the trail of blood because that's what sells, and us leftists love to make monsters out of our military, true, but of course there are good people over there fighting. Of course. There are just bad apples which are exposed in the media, not the soldiers helping families out, playing soccer with the kids down the street, actually trying to bring peace to the land.....yadayadaya.

To vaporeyes, Jeebus! eeek that is straight out of Storm Troopers...that shit gives me the willies!

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JAN 17, 2008 03:10 PM

PsylentNemo said:
While I cannot speak to the actions of what has been accused, or what ammouts to a crap ton of "he said/she said," do you all really honestly believe that there are large groups of people in Iraq killing and threatening other people, completely unprovoked? You really think that the government hired people so stone cold that they kill with no remorse?

I know a lot of these people. A lot of these people are good friends of mine, to include people that I served with in the military when we were there for it from the get go. These people are loving, carring people, that more often than not, would rather sit around and drink chai and make jokes with Iraqis, rather than shoot at them. They are also intellegent people (we don't just let anyone carry a gun over there) the at the first sign of mental instability would be stripped of all weapons and forced back to a forward opperating base until the can rotate back to the world.

Don't believe me? Think I'm coming to their aid cause I'm a "right-wing gun nut type asshole". Fuck you. I'm a man that did a job, and did it to the best of my ability, without ever compromising my morals or ethics. Before you sit there in your comfy chair and whine and bitch about how terrible these people are, go over there and get shot at for a few months. Get blown up a couple of times. Then sit there and tell me that these men and women are unjustified in defending themselves.



Read the story again, champ.

PsylentNemo

PsylentNemo

Honolulu, HI
November 2007

JAN 17, 2008 03:14 PM

FearTheReaper said:

PsylentNemo said:
While I cannot speak to the actions of what has been accused, or what ammouts to a crap ton of "he said/she said," do you all really honestly believe that there are large groups of people in Iraq killing and threatening other people, completely unprovoked? You really think that the government hired people so stone cold that they kill with no remorse?

I know a lot of these people. A lot of these people are good friends of mine, to include people that I served with in the military when we were there for it from the get go. These people are loving, carring people, that more often than not, would rather sit around and drink chai and make jokes with Iraqis, rather than shoot at them. They are also intellegent people (we don't just let anyone carry a gun over there) the at the first sign of mental instability would be stripped of all weapons and forced back to a forward opperating base until the can rotate back to the world.

Don't believe me? Think I'm coming to their aid cause I'm a "right-wing gun nut type asshole". Fuck you. I'm a man that did a job, and did it to the best of my ability, without ever compromising my morals or ethics. Before you sit there in your comfy chair and whine and bitch about how terrible these people are, go over there and get shot at for a few months. Get blown up a couple of times. Then sit there and tell me that these men and women are unjustified in defending themselves.



Read the story again, champ.



I read it again. Along with the articles. Did you go to Iraq and see it with your own two eyes yet?

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JAN 17, 2008 03:28 PM

The article attacks the lawlessness of the situation. It uses fact to point out several instances where crimes have been committed and a total lack of justice. It does not, in any way, point the finger at the men fighting, but rather, the companies themselves. And the lack of laws.

It does not in any way paint all private contractors as bad, but it does point out that the system allows very bad people to commit crimes at will, with no repercussions.

PsylentNemo

PsylentNemo

Honolulu, HI
November 2007

JAN 17, 2008 03:48 PM

That is complete and utter bullshit. There mere title of your article suggests that anyone who would work for these companies is nothing but a lawless, cold-blooded, merc. And the "facts" that you have reported, except in the instance of what the lawsuit claimed, are only part of the story. And convieniently, one that supports your arguement. Only problem with that is the reports on what actually happened on the events in quesiton, more than likely will not become public domain for some time. Ever heard of due process? Let the higher-ups do their job, and report truths, not half truths.

As a member of the press, I respect you and what you do. But you and I both know that there are not only inconsistencies, but also plenty of false allegations. I appreciate your opinion, and also the fact that you atleast made an attempt to find out as much as you could about the aforementioned. No hard feelings, but some one has to stand up for the people that are far to busy condusting these operations in their absence.

artpie

artpie

Winston Salem, NC
December 2003

JAN 17, 2008 03:49 PM

PsylentNemo said:
While I cannot speak to the actions of what has been accused, or what ammouts to a crap ton of "he said/she said," do you all really honestly believe that there are large groups of people in Iraq killing and threatening other people, completely unprovoked? You really think that the government hired people so stone cold that they kill with no remorse?

I know a lot of these people. A lot of these people are good friends of mine, to include people that I served with in the military when we were there for it from the get go. These people are loving, carring people, that more often than not, would rather sit around and drink chai and make jokes with Iraqis, rather than shoot at them. They are also intellegent people (we don't just let anyone carry a gun over there) the at the first sign of mental instability would be stripped of all weapons and forced back to a forward opperating base until the can rotate back to the world.

Don't believe me? Think I'm coming to their aid cause I'm a "right-wing gun nut type asshole". Fuck you. I'm a man that did a job, and did it to the best of my ability, without ever compromising my morals or ethics. Before you sit there in your comfy chair and whine and bitch about how terrible these people are, go over there and get shot at for a few months. Get blown up a couple of times. Then sit there and tell me that these men and women are unjustified in defending themselves.



Sir,
I thank you for the sacrifice that you say you & your friends have offered as members of the armed services. If you and your friends are concerned about the national security of the US, I would suggest maintaining your commitment to those services and /or any of the branches of the National/Coast Guard. If you are interested in humanitarian work in this country or any other part of the world, there are plenty of venues for that as well.
Supporting heavily armed and "working for the highest bidder" mercenaries that do not seem to be bound by or concerned with US & international law, however, identifies you as neither a patriot or a humanitarian. Please do not soil the service of your brothers & sisters in arms by trying to attach honor or good intentions to the actions of Blackwater and its ilk.

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