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phoenix999

phoenix999

I'm lost
November 2007

DEC 24, 2007 11:15 AM

"Those who give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin.

redcell

redcell

Santa Fe, NM
December 2003

DEC 24, 2007 11:18 AM

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.
-Goethe

redcell

redcell

Santa Fe, NM
December 2003

DEC 24, 2007 11:19 AM

The average man does not want to be free. He simply wants to be safe.
H. L. Mencken:

Shiny_metal_ass

Shiny_metal_ass

I'm lost
October 2006

DEC 24, 2007 11:25 AM

Freedom, please. ktnxbi

roushstage2

roushstage2

Iraq
December 2007

DEC 24, 2007 11:38 AM

The CIA was created for a reason. All the Agencies were created for a reason. TO DEFEND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!! Sometimes the government needs to do things that we, as Americans, don't need to know about. This sosity is so hung up on being nice and being friends that we don't see the big picture. We are at WAR with people that have no county. These terrorists live every where, home and abroad. I hate that we as a sosity believe every thing that the media puts out. We beleave every word they say. Do you know how many terrorist attacks we stopped in the last year? I don't, and you know why? It would put the people in to a panic, threats are eliminated every day because fro the work of our government agencies. People want to say they can do a better job, I would love to see them try. If they did not employ what is needed to get the intel. to stop that attack then they will fail. These left wings want to impeach President Bush, why? Because he is doing his job of protecting our country. If thous tapes showed that a top government official was the master mind of the 9-11 tragedies, the government would fall. A lot of people will dye and the terrorists will have won.

President Bush is a good leader that know what needs to be done at all cost. President Bush has let us do our jobs in Iraq with know interference. He lets the General on the ground make the call.

Clinton, LOL. Clinton just got in the way. Has anyone seen Black Hawk Down? You can thank Clinton for that catastrophe that Osama claimed a victory for. He got Americans killed because they did not want it to be high profile. What a joke, the Draft dodging Flower Child trying to tell the Army how to do things. LOL.

Just remember when you lay your head down tonight on that worm pillow that you lay in a free country, and you don't have to agree with it but that is why it is free.

Freedom come with a cost. One that you don't need to know.

elysianfielder

elysianfielder

Los Angeles, CA
March 2003

DEC 24, 2007 11:42 AM

Hey, how did you know I have a worm pillow??

WilWheaton

WilWheaton

Los Angeles, CA
June 2005

DEC 24, 2007 11:46 AM

If anyone with a soul saw these tapes, they would quickly conclude the president of the United States is a lying motherfucker.

I don't know about anyone else, but I didn't need to see any tapes to know this. In fact, all about 25% of Americans know this.

Sadly for us and for our country, the Democrats in congress who could at least try to do something about this are too busy being huge fucking pussies to defend the Constitution and reign in Bush and Cheney.

roushstage2

roushstage2

Iraq
December 2007

DEC 24, 2007 11:47 AM

The CIA was created for a reason. All the Agencies were created for a reason. TO DEFEND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!! Sometimes the government needs to do things that we, as Americans, don't need to know about. This society is so hung up on being nice and being friends that we don't see the big picture. We are at WAR with people that have no county. These terrorists live every where, home and abroad. I hate that we as a society believe every thing that the media puts out. We beleave every word they say. Do you know how many terrorist attacks we stopped in the last year? I don't, and you know why? It would put the people in to a panic, threats are eliminated every day because the work of our government agencies. People want to say they can do a better job, I would love to see them try. If they did not employ what is needed to get the intel. to stop that attack then they will fail. These left wings want to impeach President Bush, why? Because he is doing his job of protecting our country. If the tapes showed that a top government official was the master mind of the 9-11 tragedies, the government would fall. A lot of people will dye and the terrorists will have won.

President Bush is a good leader that know what needs to be done at all cost. President Bush has let us do our jobs in Iraq with know interference. He lets the General on the ground make the call.

Clinton, LOL. Clinton just got in the way. Has anyone seen Black Hawk Down? You can thank Clinton for that catastrophe that Osama claimed a victory for. He got Americans killed because they did not want it to be high profile. What a joke, the Draft dodging Flower Child trying to tell the Army how to do things. LOL.

Just remember when you lay your head down tonight on that worm pillow that you lay in a free country, and you don't have to agree with it but that is why it is free.

Freedom come with a cost. One that you don't need to know about.

Skywisdom

Skywisdom

Portland, OR
December 2005

DEC 24, 2007 11:47 AM

roushstage2 said:
The CIA was created for a reason. All the Agencies were created for a reason. TO DEFEND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!! Sometimes the government needs to do things that we, as Americans, don't need to know about. This sosity is so hung up on being nice and being friends that we don't see the big picture. We are at WAR with people that have no county. These terrorists live every where, home and abroad. I hate that we as a sosity believe every thing that the media puts out. We beleave every word they say. Do you know how many terrorist attacks we stopped in the last year? I don't, and you know why? It would put the people in to a panic, threats are eliminated every day because fro the work of our government agencies. People want to say they can do a better job, I would love to see them try. If they did not employ what is needed to get the intel. to stop that attack then they will fail. These left wings want to impeach President Bush, why? Because he is doing his job of protecting our country. If thous tapes showed that a top government official was the master mind of the 9-11 tragedies, the government would fall. A lot of people will dye and the terrorists will have won.

President Bush is a good leader that know what needs to be done at all cost. President Bush has let us do our jobs in Iraq with know interference. He lets the General on the ground make the call.

Clinton, LOL. Clinton just got in the way. Has anyone seen Black Hawk Down? You can thank Clinton for that catastrophe that Osama claimed a victory for. He got Americans killed because they did not want it to be high profile. What a joke, the Draft dodging Flower Child trying to tell the Army how to do things. LOL.

Just remember when you lay your head down tonight on that worm pillow that you lay in a free country, and you don't have to agree with it but that is why it is free.

Freedom come with a cost. One that you don't need to know.



It's so tempting to go through everything you've written and point out how many times you are wrong. And how many words you don't know how to spell. But, something tells me you are so far beyond the realm of intelligent debate, and me saying anything would really just be an excercise in rhetorical debate. So...I'm simply going to say:

redcell

redcell

Santa Fe, NM
December 2003

DEC 24, 2007 11:47 AM

roushstage2 said:
The CIA was created for a reason. All the Agencies were created for a reason. TO DEFEND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!! Sometimes the government needs to do things that we, as Americans, don't need to know about. This sosity is so hung up on being nice and being friends that we don't see the big picture. We are at WAR with people that have no county. These terrorists live every where, home and abroad. I hate that we as a sosity believe every thing that the media puts out. We beleave every word they say. Do you know how many terrorist attacks we stopped in the last year? I don't, and you know why? It would put the people in to a panic, threats are eliminated every day because fro the work of our government agencies. People want to say they can do a better job, I would love to see them try. If they did not employ what is needed to get the intel. to stop that attack then they will fail. These left wings want to impeach President Bush, why? Because he is doing his job of protecting our country. If thous tapes showed that a top government official was the master mind of the 9-11 tragedies, the government would fall. A lot of people will dye and the terrorists will have won.

President Bush is a good leader that know what needs to be done at all cost. President Bush has let us do our jobs in Iraq with know interference. He lets the General on the ground make the call.

Clinton, LOL. Clinton just got in the way. Has anyone seen Black Hawk Down? You can thank Clinton for that catastrophe that Osama claimed a victory for. He got Americans killed because they did not want it to be high profile. What a joke, the Draft dodging Flower Child trying to tell the Army how to do things. LOL.

Just remember when you lay your head down tonight on that worm pillow that you lay in a free country, and you don't have to agree with it but that is why it is free.

Freedom come with a cost. One that you don't need to know.



First, learn how to spell!

Second: There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.-John Adams

Third: We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people. -John F. Kennedy

It is not about being nice. It is about common sense.

Roethke

Roethke

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

DEC 24, 2007 11:52 AM

roushstage2 said:

President Bush is a good leader that know what needs to be done at all cost. President Bush has let us do our jobs in Iraq with know interference. He lets the General on the ground make the call.

Clinton, LOL. Clinton just got in the way. Has anyone seen Black Hawk Down? You can thank Clinton for that catastrophe that Osama claimed a victory for. He got Americans killed because they did not want it to be high profile. What a joke, the Draft dodging Flower Child trying to tell the Army how to do things. LOL.


You're not even trying.

Toku666

Toku666

Columbus, OH
May 2004

DEC 24, 2007 11:54 AM

MrZero said:
or, it's possible that the story will simply gain no traction with the majority of the populace...

Hate all you want, but we haven't been attacked again since 9-11, and even Iraq has turned the corner. While the administration has made more than its share of screw-ups, they're obviously doing something right.



I will agree that they're obviously doing something right:

They've duped exactly the right people.

That anybody could conflate any success in the Iraq operations with the decisions of our current Presidential administration is at best a little naive and at worst completely sickening. It's a very fitting little screen-name you've chosen for yourself.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

DEC 24, 2007 11:57 AM

roushstage2 said:
If thous tapes showed that a top government official was the master mind of the 9-11 tragedies, the government would fall. A lot of people will dye and the terrorists will have won.



This part right here is simply the most frightening thing I have ever heard. Now your saying that we need to fight the terrorists by any means, yet you then say it's ok to cover up evidence if it turns out that our own government was behind 9/11 because it protects our freedom. How exactly does that make sense that the same government that is interested in secretly attacking the nation cares about or rights or freedoms? Do you not see a slight flaw in your logic here?

Skywisdom

Skywisdom

Portland, OR
December 2005

DEC 24, 2007 12:02 PM

Colinism said:

roushstage2 said:
If thous tapes showed that a top government official was the master mind of the 9-11 tragedies, the government would fall. A lot of people will dye and the terrorists will have won.



This part right here is simply the most frightening thing I have ever heard. Now your saying that we need to fight the terrorists by any means, yet you then say it's ok to cover up evidence if it turns out that our own government was behind 9/11 because it protects our freedom. How exactly does that make sense that the same government that is interested in secretly attacking the nation cares about or rights or freedoms? Do you not see a slight flaw in your logic here?


No no no, you misread him. He said it protects our COLORS not our FREEDOM. read it again.

Postblank

Postblank

New Brunswick, NJ
June 2004

DEC 24, 2007 12:04 PM

Colinism said:

roushstage2 said:
If thous tapes showed that a top government official was the master mind of the 9-11 tragedies, the government would fall. A lot of people will dye and the terrorists will have won.



This part right here is simply the most frightening thing I have ever heard. Now your saying that we need to fight the terrorists by any means, yet you then say it's ok to cover up evidence if it turns out that our own government was behind 9/11 because it protects our freedom. How exactly does that make sense that the same government that is interested in secretly attacking the nation cares about or rights or freedoms? Do you not see a slight flaw in your logic here?

"I'm free as long as I think I'm free, because it is more convenient than actual thinking without blinders on."

pariah002

pariah002

Yugoslavia
July 2003

DEC 24, 2007 12:11 PM

Skywisdom said:

roushstage2 said:
The CIA was created for a reason. All the Agencies were created for a reason. TO DEFEND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!! Sometimes the government needs to do things that we, as Americans, don't need to know about. This sosity is so hung up on being nice and being friends that we don't see the big picture. We are at WAR with people that have no county. These terrorists live every where, home and abroad. I hate that we as a sosity believe every thing that the media puts out. We beleave every word they say. Do you know how many terrorist attacks we stopped in the last year? I don't, and you know why? It would put the people in to a panic, threats are eliminated every day because fro the work of our government agencies. People want to say they can do a better job, I would love to see them try. If they did not employ what is needed to get the intel. to stop that attack then they will fail. These left wings want to impeach President Bush, why? Because he is doing his job of protecting our country. If thous tapes showed that a top government official was the master mind of the 9-11 tragedies, the government would fall. A lot of people will dye and the terrorists will have won.

President Bush is a good leader that know what needs to be done at all cost. President Bush has let us do our jobs in Iraq with know interference. He lets the General on the ground make the call.

Clinton, LOL. Clinton just got in the way. Has anyone seen Black Hawk Down? You can thank Clinton for that catastrophe that Osama claimed a victory for. He got Americans killed because they did not want it to be high profile. What a joke, the Draft dodging Flower Child trying to tell the Army how to do things. LOL.

Just remember when you lay your head down tonight on that worm pillow that you lay in a free country, and you don't have to agree with it but that is why it is free.

Freedom come with a cost. One that you don't need to know.



It's so tempting to go through everything you've written and point out how many times you are wrong. And how many words you don't know how to spell. But, something tells me you are so far beyond the realm of intelligent debate, and me saying anything would really just be an excercise in rhetorical debate. So...I'm simply going to say:



+1

bald_eagle

bald_eagle

Indianapolis, IN
November 2006

DEC 24, 2007 12:13 PM

roushstage2 said:
This society is so hung up on being nice and being friends that we don't see the big picture.


I think you're failing to see the big picture. Our enemies don't have to take our freedom away from us if we surrender it in the name of security.

jnthn

jnthn

New York, NY
October 2002

DEC 24, 2007 12:17 PM

why not just break it down:

we aren't supposed to subvert our own constitution to help another country get one.

we aren't supposed to create a scenario that invites terrorist attacks in a country that didn't previously have them, because "supposedly" there were terrorists there.

we aren't supposed to use completely barbaric, inhuman TORTURE methods on people to prevent other people from being barbaric and inhuman to us.

roushstage2 if you think our current methods of "protecting our country" are so acceptable then perhaps you should just leave the military and live in whichever country you are stationed. Clearly you have no interest in the US Constitution, which really, when it's not being shat on by the Bush Administration, is the only thing that makes the United States of America the potentially great experiment it once was.

And, please, learn to spell. Whoever said we've spent $trillions made me throw up in my mouth that we have our tax dollars putting bullets in the guns of people and paying their salaries so they can be on alt-porn-sites (or is SG free for soldiers overseas?) who don't know how to spell.

That's something you WON'T see on the Bush/FCC controlled media, my friend.

phrogg

phrogg

Greenville, SC
August 2005

DEC 24, 2007 12:19 PM

Colinism said:

roushstage2 said:
If thous tapes showed that a top government official was the master mind of the 9-11 tragedies, the government would fall. A lot of people will dye and the terrorists will have won.



This part right here is simply the most frightening thing I have ever heard. Now your saying that we need to fight the terrorists by any means, yet you then say it's ok to cover up evidence if it turns out that our own government was behind 9/11 because it protects our freedom. How exactly does that make sense that the same government that is interested in secretly attacking the nation cares about or rights or freedoms? Do you not see a slight flaw in your logic here?



"We had to destroy the village in order to save it."
Peter Arnett, quoting unidentified officer, Ben Tre, Vietnam
Jan. 1968

Postblank

Postblank

New Brunswick, NJ
June 2004

DEC 24, 2007 12:20 PM

bald_eagle said:

roushstage2 said:
This society is so hung up on being nice and being friends that we don't see the big picture.


I think you're failing to see the big picture. Our enemies don't have to take our freedom away from us if we surrender it in the name of security.


Ironically, their means to do it themselves is incredibly suspect.

phrogg

phrogg

Greenville, SC
August 2005

DEC 24, 2007 12:21 PM

KUNGFOO said:

MrZero said:
Hate all you want, but we haven't been attacked again since 9-11, and even Iraq has turned the corner. While the administration has made more than its share of screw-ups, they're obviously doing something right.



And all it cost us was our moral authority (and roughly 1.6 trillion).

What a deal!



"Find the cost of freedom, buried in the ground;
Mother Earth will swallow you, lay your body down."
Neil Young, 1969

phrogg

phrogg

Greenville, SC
August 2005

DEC 24, 2007 12:24 PM

shapeshifter23 said:
"Impeachment?" Yeah, right... 'They' know by now they can do as they please and get away with it, because:

a) Democrats in Congress are not going to do anything about it, and

b) We, the people, are not going to do anything about it either, if our elected representatives do nothing about it.

US citizens = sheep to be shorn (and sacrificed as the need arises).



"You're all a bunch of slaves!"
Jim Morrison, 1969

Yeah, I'm kinda quote happy today. All from the sixties. Makes my head spin to see how easy idiots make it look to repeat history and dupe people into thinking it's something new.

lavenir

lavenir

Turlock, CA
June 2007

DEC 24, 2007 12:25 PM

Colinism said:

varcherds said:
Wether right or wrong the tapes are gone. However does torture of Americans, the English, and other persons considered friends count. We all see their work "BEHEADINGS" on you tube, liveleak, ECT. Who cares what administration did what to whom, it's time to take care of OUR COUNTRY. A little waterboarding I call it a surfing accident!!



But you still have to admit that if it's important enough to torture someone for in the first place it's important enough to have not destroyed the evidence of what was said. Your thinking about it in terms of revenge I am looking at it from the point of what are they covering up, it's no secret were torturing people but whats on those tapes that they want hidden.


Yes. Basically, if there was nothing wrong with it, and the American people had no problem with it, there would be no need to destroy any such tapes in the first place.

lavenir

lavenir

Turlock, CA
June 2007

DEC 24, 2007 12:26 PM

MrZero said:
or, it's possible that the story will simply gain no traction with the majority of the populace...

Hate all you want, but we haven't been attacked again since 9-11, and even Iraq has turned the corner. While the administration has made more than its share of screw-ups, they're obviously doing something right.

Wait 15 years until we're fighting yet another militia that we've trained and armded.

redcell

redcell

Santa Fe, NM
December 2003

DEC 24, 2007 12:28 PM

bald_eagle said:

roushstage2 said:
This society is so hung up on being nice and being friends that we don't see the big picture.


I think you're failing to see the big picture. Our enemies don't have to take our freedom away from us if we surrender it in the name of security.



So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men.
-Voltaire

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