NEWS: The Saddest Hero Story You'll Ever Read

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I can't decide which one of you is Nacho.

Wow this is a charged discussion. Rightfully so...

Long and short, poor little girl. Already on a path to a shitty life - epilepsy, stroke, heat turned off- then this shit goes and happens. I hope she can take all this and flip it and improve her station in life. This deserves more media attention than that "Subway Superman" a while back.

Hell, I think he went to work that day, not the ER.

i second this, and flux's above response.

this absolutely broke my heart.

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Well, I did read the thread (yes, the whole thing--and all the posts in it, too!), and I stand by my statements wholeheartedly.

There's no invisible mob--just certain individual posts, and those are the ones to which I was speaking. Again, I have no desire to retract or reevaluate my reaction to said posts; I read them all correctly, I know what was posted, and what I in turn posted is my genuine thought on the words and opinions contained therein.

Thanks for double-checking, though.

You're right, I don't know you. But, you also don't know the people you are using the colorful language against either. So my opinion about you, must be about as 'retarded' as yours is about them.

I'm not deciding, I'm stating my opinion. I just don't feel a need to expressly state that I am stating an opinion. I feel most posts are in fact a statement of someones opinion, be it their own or some other persons. And Subrosa was agreeing with Flux, whom I did not think was being bitchy, just stating a strong argument opposing another strong argument.

For argument's sake, although I doubt this thread needs more argument, different values. We might want to discourage a certain type of behavior in an informal sociological way but be unwilling to penalize that type of behavior in a court of law.

*shrugs*

What else can be said? You would rather make gross assumptions about people you don't know and read too much into arguments that aren't being made outside of the point you're trying to make, simply to make you feel better as a person.

Note: I just noticed the delicious irony in what I just typed.

-TM

'Yaji, I love ya, you're a smart guy, but how does pointing out one part of the story (If, If, IF she knew about his criminal record and ignored it, why would she bring someone like that into her home w/a young child?) equal absolving Mr. Queeflick of any and all blame and putting it all square on the mother, etc., etc.? Yes, it's pure speculation @this point, but it doesn't make the question any less valid, nevermind create any other arguments out of thin air. I can only speak definitively for myself, but my wondering about the safety of the child does not in any way, shape, or form invalidate the rest of my argument, nor does it mean I blame the mother 100%.

-TM

values..in and of themselves are all dependant upon each individual person. Yes, some values are shared by EVERYONE, but not all. Otherwise we would have so many crazy laws if you tied them succinctly to values

I know better than to get involved in this conversation, but it started out by asking why values other than legal "values" should/could be considered in assignation of blame. Now, I'm not a religious man, but I'm sure many religious people would assign blame to some for some action even if the law doesn't recognize it. I'm pretty sure that's Ascanius's point. For example, I might think someone is a bad person for doing X but that doesn't mean I necessary think they should be prosecuted under the law: two modes of judgment for a single act. In this particular case you are definitely right, the law would not mitigate this guys act by the fact that "she should have known" better and neither should we in our judgment. They just happen to align in this instance, but do they always?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say, but I don't think anyone is trying to make any argument where legality or the future trial is concerned. It's an argument concerning the possibility of a lapse in common sense concerning the welfare and safety of the child in and of itself. No bearing on placing overall blame, no heavy-handed final judgement on the mother and her fitness as such. Barring all other factors from the equation, including the crime @hand, if the mother knew of his criminal past, ignored it, and let this man into her home w/a young child, doesn't that show some error in the mother's judgment?

Pardon another hypothetical (albeit related and, sadly, true), but say, for instance, a Catholic priest who was known by the Church to have had allegations of molestation or worse instead ignore it and place said priest in another church where said priest molests another child. While the priest is solely to blame for the crimes @hand, isn't the church @fault for knowing of his past and doing nothing?

Nobody in this thread is trying to help the guy's case. Simply wondering about the well-being of a child and whether the circumstances could've been prevented. But people are making mountains out of molehills and, in turn, saying some unnecessary and outright hateful things towards others, things I would be hard-pressed to say to my worst enemy, simply because they didn't ape their own arguments word for word like they feel should have been. And that's just sad.

I dunno. Maybe I should just head back to Silliness, where shit makes sense.

-TM

Bitch.

You're lucky he's too PC to comeback from that.

Christ, someone get out an olive branch.

How about we pray for the little girl and the mother and send them money instead of futily arguing on here?

One or two things I know for sure.

1. If your reaction to a tragedy is to try to apportion *blame* to the victim, you are an asshole.

2. If your reaction to someone pointing out that in d.v. situations, people often blame the woman is to squeal about how feminists are so unfair! And women do bad things too! you are a self-pitying asshole.

3. If your reaction to bad things happening to children is to find ways to blame their mothers, you are an asshole. Mothers are human beings. Human beings do all sorts of things. Sometimes risks pay off, sometimes they don't, and sometimes you do risky things without even knowing they're risky. Someone could just as easily say something like, "oh, she dated a guy who paid money for stupid shit like an alt porn site, what the fuck did she expect when he racked up all her credit cards and ran off?" and presumably, if such a thing were to happen, you'd be all up in arms about how his being on SG was *irrelevant* and the point was that he was, individually, an asshole. (Except for those of you who would be saying that any woman should, of course, be checking her boyfriend's pocket for receipts at the end of every day, and then whining about how feminists don't trust men.)

As Necia said,

A-fucking men.

*gets another Pepsi One, as he is sadly beerless*

I second that.

-TM

Good God; what a brave little girl My heart goes out to them, I'm going to see if I can donate some cash for that family, and I'll mention to others as well. That poor little thing

Yes, amen.