NEWS: We Had A Good Run, Didn’t We? So Long, America

scylis said:

dude, haven't you seen the signs? felt the change in the winds?

Sauron has returned to power and even now plots to overrun all of Middle Earth with his darkness!

Chainlink said:

OMG !

D E M O C R A T S .

sshhhhhhhhhh. Watch ur back.

MegaSurge said:

This is all a different sort of issue. It's the "it's not happening to me, so everything is fine" attitude. But it is happening and it's already happening to innocent people. Worse, it's happening more and more to innocent people.

A good example is this teacher who was irate about something and he made some anonymous comment on a blog that said the school shooting thing would be good if they got the right people, specifically speaking about Columbine. He was arrested simply for making the comment on a blog. He did nothing wrong except state his angry opinion openly, however, it was even anonymous so they had to infringe on his rights to be anonymous to even arrest him. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with what he said, but I also don't think he should have ever gone to jail for it.

This would be akin to if you went to jail because you're posting online and you happen to disagree with everyone. It's not wrong if it happens to somebody else under slightly different circumstances but suddenly it's wrong because now it's happening to you. Yet all along, you argued that there was no problem and we're all making a big deal out of nothing.

It's hypothetical about this happening to you currently under these circumstances but the teacher being arrested is real and it happened just a couple weeks ago. It is also not the only one of such false arrests. Being arrested like that is not a simple matter either. It uproots the person, it costs them time and money. If they have to maintain some sort of public image, even if they were falsely arrested, it still destroys that image.

It's a "police-state" because this sort of thing is not hypothetical...it's happening right now all around us. It's just not happening to you. It hasn't happened to me either. The difference is that I care about my fellow human being and I don't want things to get worse for all of us so I try to do something to deter or stop the progression of all this spy crap. You, on the otherhand, seemingly wish to pretend that everything is fine and do nothing. None of us should sit back and expect that freedom exists while doing nothing because it doesn't. It exists because we constantly work to keep it alive and fair for everyone.

Many of the points you made really didn't seem to have anything to do with the core subject matter. They seemed more like little jabs at a variety of angles which only detracted from the topic. For instance, discussing who Ben Franklin was, whether he was a good or bad person, doesn't make the meaning of the words any different. We are all human, so it should be expected that every one of us is flawed. Some of us flawed humans achieve certain greatness by the deeds we have done, others just live and die. Ben Franklin is quoted because he was one of this who achieved greatness. The point of quoting is typicially to help validate ones own thought. That's all I was doing that aspect.

In the end, things are not that bad here in America. We are all very comfortable, aren't we? That's part of the problem. We're too comfortable and in our comfort, we're sitting back letting things happen that could and most likely will be used for wrong. As long as you're 100% compliant with whomever is in power, then I suppose you'll have nothing to worry about. However, if you stray, the who knows?

The problem is that while there are a few definite rights and wrongs that we can all agree on, most of the others are merely opinion based on perception. If we have a plethora of laws that are made to enforce those opinion (which we have many of already), coupled with societal surveillance, then we could all have a really big problem. Ultimately, in somebody's opinion, we are all wrong. This is the abuse that will likely occur. It has been proven throughout history that such power corrupts and becomes oppressive for all. It's much more difficult to get rid of something like that, than it is to stop it from coming into being to begin with.

It's not happening to you though (yet). So, don't worry about it. When it does happen to you, don't come asking for help then. I mean, you argued for it, so that's what you wanted to happen, right?

MegaSurge said:

This is all a different sort of issue. It's the "it's not happening to me, so everything is fine" attitude. But it is happening and it's already happening to innocent people. Worse, it's happening more and more to innocent people.

A good example is this teacher who was irate about something and he made some anonymous comment on a blog that said the school shooting thing would be good if they got the right people, specifically speaking about Columbine. He was arrested simply for making the comment on a blog. He did nothing wrong except state his angry opinion openly, however, it was even anonymous so they had to infringe on his rights to be anonymous to even arrest him. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with what he said, but I also don't think he should have ever gone to jail for it.

This would be akin to if you went to jail because you're posting online and you happen to disagree with everyone. It's not wrong if it happens to somebody else under slightly different circumstances but suddenly it's wrong because now it's happening to you. Yet all along, you argued that there was no problem and we're all making a big deal out of nothing.

It's hypothetical about this happening to you currently under these circumstances but the teacher being arrested is real and it happened just a couple weeks ago. It is also not the only one of such false arrests. Being arrested like that is not a simple matter either. It uproots the person, it costs them time and money. If they have to maintain some sort of public image, even if they were falsely arrested, it still destroys that image.

It's a "police-state" because this sort of thing is not hypothetical...it's happening right now all around us. It's just not happening to you. It hasn't happened to me either. The difference is that I care about my fellow human being and I don't want things to get worse for all of us so I try to do something to deter or stop the progression of all this spy crap. You, on the otherhand, seemingly wish to pretend that everything is fine and do nothing. None of us should sit back and expect that freedom exists while doing nothing because it doesn't. It exists because we constantly work to keep it alive and fair for everyone.

Many of the points you made really didn't seem to have anything to do with the core subject matter. They seemed more like little jabs at a variety of angles which only detracted from the topic. For instance, discussing who Ben Franklin was, whether he was a good or bad person, doesn't make the meaning of the words any different. We are all human, so it should be expected that every one of us is flawed. Some of us flawed humans achieve certain greatness by the deeds we have done, others just live and die. Ben Franklin is quoted because he was one of this who achieved greatness. The point of quoting is typicially to help validate ones own thought. That's all I was doing that aspect.

In the end, things are not that bad here in America. We are all very comfortable, aren't we? That's part of the problem. We're too comfortable and in our comfort, we're sitting back letting things happen that could and most likely will be used for wrong. As long as you're 100% compliant with whomever is in power, then I suppose you'll have nothing to worry about. However, if you stray, the who knows?

The problem is that while there are a few definite rights and wrongs that we can all agree on, most of the others are merely opinion based on perception. If we have a plethora of laws that are made to enforce those opinion (which we have many of already), coupled with societal surveillance, then we could all have a really big problem. Ultimately, in somebody's opinion, we are all wrong. This is the abuse that will likely occur. It has been proven throughout history that such power corrupts and becomes oppressive for all. It's much more difficult to get rid of something like that, than it is to stop it from coming into being to begin with.

It's not happening to you though (yet). So, don't worry about it. When it does happen to you, don't come asking for help then. I mean, you argued for it, so that's what you wanted to happen, right?

MegaSurge said:

a whole lot of really well written stuff that puts everything i'm trying to say in much better and thorough form than i can manage a lot of the time

michael9000000 said:

Okay buddy... when the opinion police come to arrest me, I'll make sure that I don't call you to bail me out.

scylis said:

a whole lot of really well written stuff that puts everything i'm trying to say in much better and thorough form than i can manage a lot of the time

michael9000000 said:

Okay buddy... when the opinion police come to arrest me, I'll make sure that I don't call you to bail me out.

dicktracy said:
This may be scary but wait for the moment [sic] Marshal Law is instituted and we then will lose every right we were ever given.

goatinamoat said:

We had martial law under Abraham Lincoln. And the world didn't end then either.

And then when we try to investigate, we won't be able to because all the information is "classified." This entire program will always be classified, which is awesome, because it is watching us.

righteousjohnson said:
Is the generation that posts naked pictures of themselves on the internet and blogs about everything from their last blow job to what their cat ate for breakfast really worried about their privacy being invaded? Oz is right, if they don't notice a crazed psychopath who posts his pre-murderous rants on myspace, are they really going to devote time and effort to aim their spy satellite at any of our mostly-unexciting little lives? There are 300 million Americans, each who make an average of ten phone calls a day and send 25 emails, they are going to have to hire a lot of people to watch all of us. (I jerk off at least 6 times a day, in a different room and my car, so they'll have to have a team just to track me.) And if they do devote all those resources to watching us, what are they going to see and hear? It'll be a lot more boring than watching C-SPAN. And someone please misquote me. It's the only way I sound smart.

goatinamoat said:

We had martial law under Abraham Lincoln. And the world didn't end then either.

The_Constitution said:
The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.

malkav11 said:

Most of us probably don't have anything to worry about. That's not the point.

Zarth said:

That was during a real war, not some retarded panic.

Kay_ said:
Not only that, but the government didn't have the same tools to control and interfere with people's lives. Their's no comparison.

righteousjohnson said:
Is the generation that posts naked pictures of themselves on the internet and blogs about everything from their last blow job to what their cat ate for breakfast really worried about their privacy being invaded? Oz is right, if they don't notice a crazed psychopath who posts his pre-murderous rants on myspace, are they really going to devote time and effort to aim their spy satellite at any of our mostly-unexciting little lives? There are 300 million Americans, each who make an average of ten phone calls a day and send 25 emails, they are going to have to hire a lot of people to watch all of us. (I jerk off at least 6 times a day, in a different room and my car, so they'll have to have a team just to track me.) And if they do devote all those resources to watching us, what are they going to see and hear? It'll be a lot more boring than watching C-SPAN. And someone please misquote me. It's the only way I sound smart.

varukasalt said:
How 'bout a virus that can only be defeated by thinking logically. That should thin the herd substantially.

goatinamoat said:

We had martial law under Abraham Lincoln. And the world didn't end then either.

eatsyourface said:

when martial law is declared iam shank me a whole lot of fucking kunt bagged dick faced assholes whove had it coming for a long fucking time... cause i dont give a fuck about being politicaly correct but paybacks are oght so sweet

eatsyourface said:

when martial law is declared iam shank me a whole lot of fucking kunt bagged dick faced assholes whove had it coming for a long fucking time... cause i dont give a fuck about being politicaly correct but paybacks are oght so sweet

eatsyourface said:

logic what is this logic u speak of and where can i buy some i to iam tired off getting fucked ith no dinner no movie and no lube. lmao the only logic behind it all is we cant do shit about it. Sure u can get over organized organizations that try to protect and secure the rights of people worldwide, but the basic dirty lil fact of the matter is humans respond to one thing well two things well sex and a good old fashioned ass whipping. so we can either keep getting fucked in the butt or tear some shit apart. i mean after all thoose soldiers we just inlisted why it shouldnt be too hard to um i mean wait. Has anyone really thought down and analized old fuck tard truth be told the minackle son of a fuckign bitch is a nazi storm trooper super genius and theres a reason he acts like a complete fucking butt nuggett... The worst thing of it all is weve allowed him to use us. the american people to do everything and anything he wants to to anybody even other american people. It makes me so sad iam go spray paint something or someone now peace.

eatsyourface said:

logic what is this logic u speak of and where can i buy some i to iam tired off getting fucked ith no dinner no movie and no lube. lmao the only logic behind it all is we cant do shit about it. Sure u can get over organized organizations that try to protect and secure the rights of people worldwide, but the basic dirty lil fact of the matter is humans respond to one thing well two things well sex and a good old fashioned ass whipping. so we can either keep getting fucked in the butt or tear some shit apart. i mean after all thoose soldiers we just inlisted why it shouldnt be too hard to um i mean wait. Has anyone really thought down and analized old fuck tard truth be told the minackle son of a fuckign bitch is a nazi storm trooper super genius and theres a reason he acts like a complete fucking butt nuggett... The worst thing of it all is weve allowed him to use us. the american people to do everything and anything he wants to to anybody even other american people. It makes me so sad iam go spray paint something or someone now peace.