shapeshifter23 said:
Modern technology is one of the biggest weapons of frequency control. You have been sold devices for 'entertainment' [read: CON-tain-ment] and 'convenience,' and they are all involved with frequency control... GET RID OF YOUR TELEVISION SETS. They are the primary tool used to manipulate your consciousness on a day-to-day basis...
As a matter of fact, if you really want to evolve, do not read your newspapers, do not listen to the radio, and do not watch television. If you are able to be MEDIA-FREE for periods of time, and you disengage yourself from the frequency of chaos and anxiety and stress and hustle-bustle and temptations of all kinds that you don't need, you begin to get clear. You begin to listen to what is going on inside of yourself and to live in the world and not necessarily be lost in it. YOU BECOME CLEAR...
- Barbara Marciniak, BRINGERS OF THE DAWN, Bear & Co, 1992 (pp. 87-96)
Right, throw away your tv and newspapers...but continue to read and internalize books by Barbara Marciniak. How much did this book cost again?
One article about the prison system in the US, and suddenly we're all living in the Matrix.
supernovice said:
America has twice the number of people incarcerated than china (if that is a true statistic) because we fucking enforce the law -- has nothing to do with population. We enforce the law.
Boy, you sure hit the nail on the head. The Chinese are incredibly lax on law enforcement.
Untimely said:
Compared to other places, we also have fewer alternatives to prison; we have little or no support system to help those who would opt for a new life after prison. The public's simply not very interested in psychiatric treatments, halfway houses, rehabilitation, etc. Popular opinion is that prisoners should have longer, harsher punishments, even though longer, harsher sentences haven't reduced recidivism or shown much success in the prevention of crime at all.
Because psychiatric treatments, halfway houses, and rehabilitation cost too much, and yet they'll put money into expanding a prison to accomodate 57,000 more prisoners. This is what I truly don't understand about our prison system... It seems like the government would rather pump money into sweeping people under the rug than to help them rejoin society.
Untimely said:
Compared to other places, we also have fewer alternatives to prison; we have little or no support system to help those who would opt for a new life after prison. The public's simply not very interested in psychiatric treatments, halfway houses, rehabilitation, etc. Popular opinion is that prisoners should have longer, harsher punishments, even though longer, harsher sentences haven't reduced recidivism or shown much success in the prevention of crime at all.
Because psychiatric treatments, halfway houses, and rehabilitation cost too much, and yet they'll put money into expanding a prison to accomodate 57,000 more prisoners. This is what I truly don't understand about our prison system... It seems like the government would rather pump money into sweeping people under the rug than to help them rejoin society.
I agree, but I don't think we can blame the government for that. Its the taxpayers who aren't interested in paying for that sort of thing.
I mean, I don't really want to pay for it either, but none of us live in a vacuum. Sometimes you get what you pay for.
Amagi82 said:
As someone who has spent time in jail, let me tell you this: it accomplishes NOTHING positive. You sit there bored out of your mind contemplating revenge being kidnapped and placed in a cage. Or at least that's how it is for the massive number of imprisoned people who haven't done anything ethically wrong. I was jailed for speeding. Did I hurt anyone? Not even close. Did I even endanger anyone? Nope. I can potentially see locking someone up who is some sort of extremely violent criminal, but jail time for selling weed or speeding is just f-in retarded.
Speeding motorists kill more people than drunk drivers. You were endangering everyone in proximity.
Courts rarely send speeders to jail on their first offense, either, as courts are far more likely to simply fine a violator. How many times were you ticketed for speeding before being given jail time?
"Speeding is a factor in 30 percent of all fatal crashes. About 1,000 fatalities resulted from speeding-related motor vehicle crashes every month."
_From Analysis of Speeding-Related Fatal Motor Vehicle Traffic Crashes by Cejun Liu et al., Technical Report of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, August 2005
"Speeding reduces a driver's ability to steer safely around curves or objects in the roadway, extends the distance necessary to stop a vehicle, and increases the distance a vehicle travels while a driver reacts to a dangerous situation."
_From Analysis of Speeding-Related Fatal Motor Vehicle Traffic Crashes
shapeshifter23 said:
Modern technology is one of the biggest weapons of frequency control. You have been sold devices for 'entertainment' [read: CON-tain-ment] and 'convenience,' and they are all involved with frequency control... GET RID OF YOUR TELEVISION SETS. They are the primary tool used to manipulate your consciousness on a day-to-day basis...
As a matter of fact, if you really want to evolve, do not read your newspapers, do not listen to the radio, and do not watch television. If you are able to be MEDIA-FREE for periods of time, and you disengage yourself from the frequency of chaos and anxiety and stress and hustle-bustle and temptations of all kinds that you don't need, you begin to get clear. You begin to listen to what is going on inside of yourself and to live in the world and not necessarily be lost in it. YOU BECOME CLEAR...
- Barbara Marciniak, BRINGERS OF THE DAWN, Bear & Co, 1992 (pp. 87-96)
Right, throw away your tv and newspapers...but continue to read and internalize books by Barbara Marciniak. How much did this book cost again?
One article about the prison system in the US, and suddenly we're all living in the Matrix.
Dude, I was totally thinking the Matrix too when I read that post.
Untimely said:
I agree, but I don't think we can blame the government for that. Its the taxpayers who aren't interested in paying for that sort of thing.
I mean, I don't really want to pay for it either, but none of us live in a vacuum. Sometimes you get what you pay for.
That's sadly true. And the irony is, look who is footing the bill for the prison expansion...
In regard to the article I think things are going to get worse with prisons before they get any better, if ever. There are just too many factors going against changing the system.
I think one of the biggest factors is that the country as a whole has gotten much too lazy in the past generation or two. People now look for a quick "win, win" option and "no pain, and lots of gain" when faced with lifes problems. I couldnt even imagine how much work it would take to completely change the prison systems in America to were it would be better for everyone.
I think another factor is many Americans still see inmates as the scum of the earth when they get out of jail, not as people who did time and are now square with the state. I think that if society as a whole showed more time and compassion for these men and women, things would be different. Now to take a different angle to that factor, some minorities are viewing going to prison as a status symble of ones toughness in todays society and dont view it as something bad but something to be proud of, that idea has to go, period.
Another factor is that many Americans are so entertianment driven that they have little time to proccess or think about stuff that really matters in this country. Case in point, American Idol. When that God Awful show American Idol was on, it seemed that everybody in the country was living and dying by that show. My local nightly news would cover the events and recap what happened during that stupid show. Now I thought that the news was suppose to cover news that ment something, not that crap. Another point, Paris Hilton, how much reporting was wasted on that bimbo going to jail? How many stories of substance were passed over so the country could get its daily dose of "Paris Watch"? I just saw that she did Larry King, on CNN!! WTF is up with that.
Now I know there are several other factors to changing the prison system, another is the some people just dont like change, but these are the points that get me hot under the collar when I think about them.
supernovice said:
I've been arrested 3 times and every time, I may not have been guilty of what I was charged with, but I was fucking up. I was doing bad shit at a bad hour with bad people, and I payed the price.
Your acceptance of a bum rap disturbs me. If you were seriously fucking up, the police should have had the wit to specify an appropriate charge, not just some generic catch-bag to hold you in. That's their job, and you are acquiescing to their ineptitude.
supernovice said:
Contrary to the popular CRIMINAL belief, we don't arrest people innocent of crimes on a regular basis.
A month doesn't go by without our reading about someone who has spent 10, 17, 25 years in prison for a rape or murder, only to be exonerated by DNA evidence. The police bagged the wrong guy. They seem to do that a lot. Dare we expect any better investigative skills on lesser offenses?
The bottom line is "What constitutes a crime?" Too many of our prison and jail population are there as a result of the ill-conceived, poorly executed, and ultimately failed War On Drugs.
Does this newest survey mean we're going to stop pretending to be the land of the free? Are we done with that now? Do I no longer have to stand up and pretend an enthusiastic yay every time someone says "Land of the free, home of the brave"? Are we going to start being a little more honest with ourselves now, change our slogan to something more realistic like "Land with a 24 hour walmart in every county". cause thats something to be proud of to you know.
Amagi82 said:
I was jailed for speeding. Did I hurt anyone? Not even close. Did I even endanger anyone? Nope. I can potentially see locking someone up who is some sort of extremely violent criminal, but jail time for selling weed or speeding is just f-in retarded.
As for the endangering I would say that is debatable and I'm sure the statistics would back it up. I don't know the full story but I would say that jail time is a bit absurd nonetheless.
It amuses (read: disgusts) me how states are turning away from the death penalty. No, I don't want to go around killing everyone who steps foot in a jail so don't start. All I'm saying is that in our society filled with this politically correct bullshit, a prison often is nothing more than another name for a forced hotel.
Sure, some people have it worse off than when they would living outside the bars but for some, dare I say many, it provides a free room, food, cable TV in many instances, and hot showers (soap on a rope not included).
Long story short, for some people it is almost a reward to be thrown in jail and that seems a little fucked up to me.
supernovice said:
I've been arrested 3 times and every time, I may not have been guilty of what I was charged with, but I was fucking up. I was doing bad shit at a bad hour with bad people, and I payed the price.
Your acceptance of a bum rap disturbs me. If you were seriously fucking up, the police should have had the wit to specify an appropriate charge, not just some generic catch-bag to hold you in. That's their job, and you are acquiescing to their ineptitude.
supernovice said:
Contrary to the popular CRIMINAL belief, we don't arrest people innocent of crimes on a regular basis.
A month doesn't go by without our reading about someone who has spent 10, 17, 25 years in prison for a rape or murder, only to be exonerated by DNA evidence. The police bagged the wrong guy. They seem to do that a lot. Dare we expect any better investigative skills on lesser offenses?
The bottom line is "What constitutes a crime?" Too many of our prison and jail population are there as a result of the ill-conceived, poorly executed, and ultimately failed War On Drugs.
Greybeard, haven't seen you on the boards recently. Good to see ya.
Amagi82 said:
I was jailed for speeding. Did I hurt anyone? Not even close. Did I even endanger anyone? Nope. I can potentially see locking someone up who is some sort of extremely violent criminal, but jail time for selling weed or speeding is just f-in retarded.
As for the endangering I would say that is debatable and I'm sure the statistics would back it up. I don't know the full story but I would say that jail time is a bit absurd nonetheless.
Why is jail time absurd for speeding? Why should reckless idiocy tolerated in an automobile? Just 'cause it's easy and lots of people do it, this doesn't mean people don't constantly die from it. Most people under the age of 45 die from automobile accidents, and in most accidents, speeding is a factor.
Speaking of the death penalty -- why not the death penalty for people who drive drunk? No, seriously, why not? Is it absurd?
I'm sick of the double standards we've got for automobile-related deaths in this country.
Sure, some people have it worse off than when they would living outside the bars but for some, dare I say many, it provides a free room, food, cable TV in many instances, and hot showers (soap on a rope not included).
Long story short, for some people it is almost a reward to be thrown in jail and that seems a little fucked up to me.
So you're booking your next vacation to Pelican's Bay?
Surely a little overcrowding, prison rape, HIV, TB, prison gangs or sadistic screws aren't going to interfere with your fun, right?
Well, its good that they put people in prison there anyway, even if it is just 23 days if you're rich.
Here we're going to have less people in prison soon.
Not because less people are being convicted of crime, mind- but because we're just releasing them straight away back into the community cos we apparently can't afford to run prisons anymore.
lawber said:
I know, America is so horrible, there are actually consequences for bad behavior. What a shame that we hold people accountable for their actions.
Too bad they're holding the wrong crimes accountable...
Well hmmm... alot of good bitching about it on a web site does... If you feel so strongly about this... go do something about it. Write to a congressman... hold protests... it's your rights as a citizen of the United States... But ya know if you don't want to do that either.. I guess it is easier to moan and groan.
If more people actually became more involved with what they complained about then just maybe we would live in a better world. If you are doing your part... then complain to the buddies that sit on their ass and yet agree with you.
fun_gal_shy_guy said:
Well hmmm...... go do something about it. Write to a congressman... hold protests... it's your rights as a citizen of the United States... But ya know if you don't want to do that either.. I guess it is easier to moan and groan.
I never understand why someone always ends up taking this position.
Can't people do both? How do you know what action people have taken? Perhaps some of us have given money, time and part of our professional lives trying to solve some of this country's more absurd fucking social problems.
Is there something wrong with bitching and debating on a website, eliciting some solid thoughts and positions on the topic, and then taking those views to our representatives or taking some other action?
Isn't that what democracy is all about?
Don't you see the irony of whining and bitching about people 'moaning and groaning' about something? (And yes, I see the irony of me bitching about bitching about bitching, but I've actually got a point besides my own petulance).
If you're so sick of hearing people complain, why read these boards in the first place? You should realize that, no matter what, internet debates always disintegrate into an ignorant, uninformed, name-calling, fallacy-fest of idiocy. But sometimes, once in a while, people actually bring up good points, that writing about thoughts helps to clarify them, and sometimes there's something to be learned in the whole mess.
I live in Oregon.
Has anyone here heard of Measure 11 in Oregon?
Basically, there is a minimum sentence for every felony a person commits (or is accused of commiting). The judge can do nothing for that person. And it stacks too, so if you say, steal a computer after breaking an enter, you could get two stacked felonies and get 14 (that is a hypothetical situation, I don't know the exact numbers. If anyone needs proof I'm willing to go digging. Probably).
The problem with that situation is if a teenager fucks up once, they can go to prison for 10 years, have their lives ruined, learn how to be a better criminal, and cost our society a lot of tax money.
yay! Our prison system is fucked!
fun_gal_shy_guy said:
Well hmmm...... go do something about it. Write to a congressman... hold protests... it's your rights as a citizen of the United States... But ya know if you don't want to do that either.. I guess it is easier to moan and groan.
I never understand why someone always ends up taking this position.
Can't people do both? How do you know what action people have taken? Perhaps some of us have given money, time and part of our professional lives trying to solve some of this country's more absurd fucking social problems.
Is there something wrong with bitching and debating on a website, eliciting some solid thoughts and positions on the topic, and then taking those views to our representatives or taking some other action?
Isn't that what democracy is all about?
Don't you see the irony of whining and bitching about people 'moaning and groaning' about something? (And yes, I see the irony of me bitching about bitching about bitching, but I've actually got a point besides my own petulance).
If you're so sick of hearing people complain, why read these boards in the first place? You should realize that, no matter what, internet debates always disintegrate into an ignorant, uninformed, name-calling, fallacy-fest of idiocy. But sometimes, once in a while, people actually bring up good points, that writing about thoughts helps to clarify them, and sometimes there's something to be learned in the whole mess.
I agree with you... for the most part except I wasn't bitching... I was making a point though. These forums are great for expressing ideas... however without action what's the point? How come I rarely see someone say "Hey there is a rally for prostesting unfair treatment of penisies during masterbation"
Yes people can do both... but rarely do.
Some say one person can't make a difference... I say wrong answer. Need I remind you to read the whole statement I made... if your gonna quote someone make sure the whole quote gets quoted... so everyone can see my WHOLE point...
"If more people actually became more involved with what they complained about then just maybe we would live in a better world. If you are doing your part... then complain to the buddies that sit on their ass and yet agree with you. "
So I say again, if your doing your part, complain to the lazy bastards that are agreeing with you and sitting on their ass. Otherwise complaints fall on deaf ears.
Not very much different from when I was in high school 13 years ago and did one of my many reports/presentations on drug legalization for Participation in Government (it was my opinion that it could solve almost any government ill with the taxes alone). The statistics were very similar back then too. I don't even use illegal drugs recreationally but I think it's sad that non-violent drug offenders make up such a huge majority of inmates when white collar criminals (which IMHO has the highest social cost and therefore should have the harshest penalties) are incarcerated at lesser rates.
bedukay said:
Not very much different from when I was in high school 13 years ago and did one of my many reports/presentations on drug legalization for Participation in Government (it was my opinion that it could solve almost any government ill with the taxes alone). The statistics were very similar back then too. I don't even use illegal drugs recreationally but I think it's sad that non-violent drug offenders make up such a huge majority of inmates when white collar criminals (which IMHO has the highest social cost and therefore should have the harshest penalties) are incarcerated at lesser rates.
13 years ago the US had about half as many people incarcerated--the number hit 1 million in the mid 1990s; it now tops 2.2 million. The fact that drug use peaked in the late 1970s and the crime rate peaked in the early 1980s, suggests that something other than cracking down on "crime" and drug use is driving these policies to mass incarcerate large segments of the population.
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